Sujet : MP next to go with 6.0 maybe?

Envoyé par Enla

As for MP I don't see it going away. Unlike the TP change there's really no benefit currently to getting rid of it.

There was a benefit to getting rid of TP? you mean decoupling sprint from it?

On the thread- I doubt it. MP is an important identity to the FF series, just by that alone I think it would never be removed. That they made things more consistent via costs / maximum I think is as far as they were willing to go.

As for the whole healer thing I think they got a lot of feedback / saw a lot of players wanted healers to focus on healing and so they did that (by reducing damage parts and adding more healing spells), and at the same time also made them easier to balance by making healing a bit closer together. Unfortunately it just made many skilled and overgeared healers sit on fewer buttons and still damage lol. If they wanted healers ot have to heal more then the scaling of stuff needs some real tweaks. As for the other part homogenization makes easier balance but can take some flare away. . . definitely one of those important yet scary 'not too much please' tools.

Not arguing that SE didn't make a bunch of healers feel bummed for various reasons but at least to me it seems apparent what they were attempting to do was a mix of general requests I've seen a lot and some of their own simplifications for smoother / easier balance. Unfortunately didn't work out as well as one would hope, and no healer job of course made the salt sting more (appears like a misstep by some and no olive branch at the same time, unlike if they had added healer mounts or a healer job which would have been more like "aww shucks, buuuut at least I got X"). I imagine there will be some conceptual tweaks for the next expansion, and perhaps a new healer job.

Envoyé par Bsrking5

There was a benefit to getting rid of TP? you mean decoupling sprint from it?

Nah, TP made melee AoE very prohibitive, as it drained your TP like nothing. If you had 2 melee in your dungeon run and they weren't geared like heck and knew their oGCDs, it was useless to do large pulls. Even BRD and MCH had trouble keeping up, even WITH Tactician. TP also made Skill Speed worse than useless, as more SkSpeed would just make your TP run out faster (that was the meme in HW, throw an arrow on the MNK and watch them cry because their TP goes down the drain).

Now SkSpeed is at a somewhat-healthy place (SOMEWHAT), as you only need to worry about it clipping your oGCDs. MP is a different beast, as it makes caster gameplay a lot more punishing. Honestly, I wish physical roles had Mana Shift or Healers/Casters got Osmose. My MP goes down the drain raising 6 people in CLL...

Envoyé par Bsrking5

There was a benefit to getting rid of TP? you mean decoupling sprint from it?

WhiteArchmage pretty much covered the entirety of what I wanted to say in response. xD

Envoyé par WhiteArchmage

Nah, TP made melee AoE very prohibitive, as it drained your TP like nothing. If you had 2 melee in your dungeon run and they weren't geared like heck and knew their oGCDs, it was useless to do large pulls. Even BRD and MCH had trouble keeping up, even WITH Tactician. TP also made Skill Speed worse than useless, as more SkSpeed would just make your TP run out faster (that was the meme in HW, throw an arrow on the MNK and watch them cry because their TP goes down the drain).

Now SkSpeed is at a somewhat-healthy place (SOMEWHAT), as you only need to worry about it clipping your oGCDs. MP is a different beast, as it makes caster gameplay a lot more punishing. Honestly, I wish physical roles had Mana Shift or Healers/Casters got Osmose. My MP goes down the drain raising 6 people in CLL...

Ya but that was also true of MP to a lesser extent but they lowered MP cost. MP is only more punishing for rezing or getting rezzed besides black Mage. It is still bad to large pulls with bad dps, its just they can't run out of TP and casters could run of MP if they refuse to use lucid dreaming (but thats not really an issue in most cases).

I feel TP should be restored.

The more TP you gain from using weapon skills or using auto attacks, this builds your charges.

Or something more engaging. Combat has become more simple with its removal. I would like to see more customization and depth added, not more things taken.

Envoyé par Bsrking5

Since the TP system has gone the way of the dodo will we see MP follow? Its only real use is forcing lucid dreaming on cool down and as a rez punishment. The devs already remove refresh and ewers changed. I highly doubt TP is coming back but will MP be a thing of the past? They certainly could change rez to have charges so it still has limits.

christ - you are a troll!

Why would they ever get rid of MP?

Square Enix should also remove the HP bar for the entire ARR & HW content as well, since the normal version of every dungeon and trial in those expansions is currently so easy, that youre unable to die unless you go afk midbattle.