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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Element of randomness in WoW fights? I don't see it, at all... The fights are scripted, that's why they have DBM over there that shows you the timer of all of boss actions. The thing that can add a lot of variables to the fights are not the randomness, but the fact that most fights can be done in different ways, and DPS there have a lot more responsibility than in XIV, which is basically just predict the telegraphs and react to AoE marks accordingly. Basically very linear fights. WoW's bosses also never follow a specific rule, so it's usually harder to be intuitive on what to do, and that I would also think it's an element that make their fights feel less "scripted".

    But still yeah, WoW has that over XIV - those elements tend to make the fights more interesting. The downside is that they are much harder to balance, and often a content patch goes through a lot of hotfixes and adjustments.
    I don't use mods, but even if I did, I'm thinking specifically of the Unbound Abomination - final boss of the Underrot in BfA. This guy can't be conventionally damaged - you have to beat on him until a secondary "blood gauge" fills up, spawning adds you kill to actually damage him. He also puts a persistent, stacking DoT onto the party which a helper NPC will periodically cleanse in an AoE around a random party member, and also puts down randomly placed, persistent AoE patches around his boss room that will very quickly kill you if you stand in them. That's just on normal. Hard mode (Mythic difficulty) has those AoE patches turn into mobs that track players, which when killed put their patch back down until they get up again.

    This is a 5-man dungeon boss. Admittedly the most difficult one in the expansion, but there's nothing of comparable difficulty in XIV beyond some high-level 2.0 dungeons (Dzmael Darkhold and Aurum Vale). Everything here is learning the boss's telegraphs and dodging, stacking, or spacing as necessary. It's certainly easier, and more convenient, but less fulfilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I don't use mods, but even if I did, I'm thinking specifically of the Unbound Abomination - final boss of the Underrot in BfA. This guy can't be conventionally damaged - you have to beat on him until a secondary "blood gauge" fills up, spawning adds you kill to actually damage him. He also puts a persistent, stacking DoT onto the party which a helper NPC will periodically cleanse in an AoE around a random party member, and also puts down randomly placed, persistent AoE patches around his boss room that will very quickly kill you if you stand in them. That's just on normal. Hard mode (Mythic difficulty) has those AoE patches turn into mobs that track players, which when killed put their patch back down until they get up again.

    This is a 5-man dungeon boss. Admittedly the most difficult one in the expansion, but there's nothing of comparable difficulty in XIV beyond some high-level 2.0 dungeons (Dzmael Darkhold and Aurum Vale). Everything here is learning the boss's telegraphs and dodging, stacking, or spacing as necessary. It's certainly easier, and more convenient, but less fulfilling.
    Yeah, I get your point tho... WoW bosses actions are scripted yeah - after all, they don't execute things out of random - the thing is that there are variables out there that aren't exactly random, but they add several more layers of complexity. I truly wish XIV had this, to make DPS life a bit more spicy.
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