WoW this, WoW that: Why are FFXIV forum users so obsessed with WoW refugees?

[whodis]

As a GW2 refugee (yes we exist), i don't understand all this hate for WoW refugees.

Is it just as a scapegoat? Do you find it that hard to believe FFXIV could have its own toxic players?

We've had WoW refugees in GW2 since a long time and GW2's community was never "WoW toxic, GW2 good", instead, they always welcomed them and sometimes even went as far as gifting them an expansion.

I've met a bunch of "WoW refugees" in FFXIV and they are actually funny and down-to-earth people. Obviously, experiences can vary for everyone, but i feel like all this hate is unwarranted from the so-called and proclaimed "nicest MMO community".

Also accurate:
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[van_arn]

The ubercasuals in this game need a boogeyman so they don't feel any guilt when they get kicked for being dead weight in group content.

[AxlStream]

The ubercasuals in this game need a boogeyman so they don't feel any guilt when they get kicked for being dead weight in group content.

To compound on that, WoW expects people to contribute decently at their selected classes and specs. Those that don't, get called out as the resources are easily accessible and gear optimization is made by automated tools on 3rd party websites. FFXIV on the other end allows players to do w/e the hell they want and you'll be shunned from expecting someone to play their role along the only playstyle that is designed for the job. WoW players try to be good, XIV players actively put the least effort possible. 2 entirely different mentalities.

[Misutoraru]

I can't speak for WoW since I never played it enough, but in regards to FF I don't believe this for a second. In nearly 900 dungeons/trials/etc, I can count on my fingers how many people I've met that were consciously holding the group back and refusing to listen to advice. I like venting as much as anyone else, but honestly, I don't get things to vent about often at all. Most players are perfectly adequate, and most runs (I use DF almost exclusively, by the way) go off without a hitch. To insult the game's community by saying they actively put in the least effort possible is disingenuous. Either you're getting way too upset over the occasional troll, or you're intolerant to newer/learning players that are probably going to be very receptive of advice. Most people I've given advice to (easily 95% or more) generally thank me for helping them improve.

I always think I am living in a different world than many forum user
I mean see how many ppl complain about their party or team mate not living up to "standard", yet I run mostly with DF, and i only very seldom see those terrible player. The chance is like only 1 in 50 or even 1 in 100 run I have met someone who isn't trying to do their role properly and refuse to listen for advice

[Kacho_Nacho]

The ubercasuals in this game need a boogeyman so they don't feel any guilt when they get kicked for being dead weight in group content.

Why is it that the edgy comments get the most likes? You all know this isn't true.

Now, the real reason a lot of individuals have issues with "WoW refugees" is they tend to be ruder than your typical FFXIV player. It's a reflection of their community.

I dislike the term toxic but that is the best word to describe it. It came about due to Blizzard's increasing lack of effort into WoW and their general arrogance toward their player base.

In addition, there is a lot of focus on the endgame in WoW. That puts pressure on players to level quickly and rush through the content.

The majority of the FFXIV player base does not have that focus. So, there is a big clash between the two communities and FFXIV players are tired of the drama.

[MirielleLavandre]

Now, the real reason a lot of individuals have issues with "WoW refugees" is they tend to be ruder than your typical FFXIV player. It's a reflection of their community.

This right here is pretty true -- just gonna copy/paste my reply from the other 'WoW thread' here since it applies and goes along with what Kacho wrote above:

Up until BfA, I was playing both WoW and FFXIV. I think there's nothing wrong with people coming to FFXIV from WoW, and while there are quite a few elitists in WoW, there are also potentially the same number (comparatively) in FFXIV. The one difference is that in WoW, people can and will outright tell someone that they're doing sub par dmg and give the actual numbers, will tell people they need to download and install DBM (calls out boss mechanics/skills so you know when to move, dodge, etc.), and even go so far as to mention to others that they are using a sub par build for the thing they're doing (PvE or PvP -- often people will use the Icy Veins builds since they're usually well researched and proven effective).

In FFXIV, none of this is possible since the game is not as transparent or accepting of mods as WoW is. Thus, people in WoW get used to being called out in detail while leveling, eventually learning to improve and also the 'proper' builds to use. Sometimes it makes everyone cookie cutter, but no more than in FFXIV where there is actually no way to have a varied 'build' than someone else. Every single level 70 of a certain job is guaranteed to have the same skills available. I think these differences make for some people who are not used to being told certain things to see some WoW 'refugees' as brash, rude, or just plain 'toxic'. In essence, from my experience in both games, I think it is just a difference in cultures and what one gets used to as they level up and run content.

[Mugear_bahamut]

Why is it that the edgy comments get the most likes? You all know this isn't true.

The dude is obviously a butthurt WoW player, and is the perfect example of toxic.

[CazzT]

This dude is obviously a butthurt WoW player, and is the perfect example of toxic.

How does he sound butthurt? He summed up pretty well what's happening. There is no toxicity in his post. Did you mean to quote someone else?

[NessaWyvern]

How does he sound butthurt? He summed up pretty well what's happening. There is no toxicity in his post. Did you mean to quote someone else?

I think he saw the "edgey comments get the most likes" bit, and didn't read any more