Improving feel of play for SCH/WHM

[AnotherPerson]

To me, the only strictly necessary change to WHM is de-coupling Assize’s healing component from its damage. What exists now is ‘fine’ but it needs more tools.

I honestly rather not see WHM losing Assize's damage component with its healing component. It feels great to use when you need to heal but you can also do damage simultaneously when using it. Instead, if WHM has clipping issues and people would rather have a more supportive playstyle for healers, I rather SE introduce a skill that 'imbues holy/elemental power onto another player' - where the targeted player's weaponskill/spell will get an added damage to the potency scaling of WHM's glare for around 5 to 10 seconds - but this skill also disables WHM from using their nuke for the same duration. This way, because the GCD DPS action has been moved over to another player, WHM technically have access to all their AoE healing GCDs being treated as a more complicated 'OGCD' with an MP cost for the duration of the period, all their oGCDs can be casted freely during this long period 'weave' window, and WHM can move freely as a result. WHM having the strongest MP economy with Assize, Thin Air, and Lucid Dreaming + saved mp from not using glare for the duration of the skill will balance out the use of medica II/medica MP cost imo.

[Veis_Alveare]

I honestly rather not see WHM losing Assize's damage component with its healing component. It feels great to use when you need to heal but you can also do damage simultaneously when using it. Instead, if WHM has clipping issues and people would rather have a more supportive playstyle for healers, I rather SE introduce a skill that 'imbues holy/elemental power onto another player' - where the targeted player's weaponskill/spell will get an added damage to the potency scaling of WHM's glare for around 5 to 10 seconds - but this skill also disables WHM from using their nuke for the same duration. This way, because the GCD DPS action has been moved over to another player, WHM technically have access to all their AoE healing GCDs being treated as a more complicated 'OGCD' with an MP cost for the duration of the period, all their oGCDs can be casted freely during this long period 'weave' window, and WHM can move freely as a result. WHM having the strongest MP economy with Assize, Thin Air, and Lucid Dreaming + saved mp from not using glare for the duration of the skill will balance out the use of medica II/medica MP cost imo.

I liked this at first until I realized it would be coupled with whatever would gain the most GCDs (so basically pick your melee or MCH during hypercharge optimally) rather than as a healing tool as well as just spamming Holy during that time instead of healing since itd just be the next best thing.

[Grimoire-M]

I honestly rather not see WHM losing Assize's damage component with its healing component. It feels great to use when you need to heal but you can also do damage simultaneously when using it.

The problem with Assize is precisely that you don’t get to use the healing when you want to. Sure you can optimize healing around it, but It’s always a DPS loss to hold it. To me, reintroducing the Confession mechanic again would solve this issue. The specific idea I had in mind is it would be treated as a resource that is applied by WHM’s oGCDs that can then be consumed one by one using their GCD heals (apart from Cure III) and all at once by a reworked Plenary Indulgence. Assize would apply two stacks. I’d rework Temperance to have two charges, and apply one stack, in addition to its current effects at half the duration and cooldown. The max stacks would remain at 3 and heal for 200 potency each. That would be more than sufficient I think.

[Raikai]

I have a lot of issues but with Scholar's number of faerie actions, feeling like cluttered skills. I wish the Seraph was just an "evolved" form of the fairy, together with evolving her skills. I mean, it's probably fine as it is now, but it kind feel a bit messy.

For AST, I understand why they did thatand I can't help but to think how bland the support became. Thought of a few ideas like... why not having the damage buffs just to the Lords or Lady cards and having [defensive/movement speed/piety bonus/+healing received ] on the basic cards instead? There's always a time frame when you have to use just Lord or Lady while waiting for Divination time.

WHM... I kind of hate the fact that "more heals" is what it brings, because in most of the content that is kind of useless. So yeah, maybe - some - utility could make it feel better, but probably we'll have to wait for the 6.0 very likely inclusion of a fourth healer to see how utility will be rebalanced across the healers. For now, though, the only wish I had was a dps version of Afflatus Solace. SCH have Energy Drain to dump your stacks when Aetherflow is coming off cooldown and you don't have anything to heal, so why not WHM with Lilies too?

[AnotherPerson]

I liked this at first until I realized it would be coupled with whatever would gain the most GCDs (so basically pick your melee or MCH during hypercharge optimally) rather than as a healing tool as well as just spamming Holy during that time instead of healing since itd just be the next best thing.

That's a really good point, jobs like MNK will definitely benefit from this. Perhaps it'll be better if it just gave a stacked buff that boosts the next 5 spells/weaponskills like a stack buff and each use consumes 1 of them instead. Then WHM gets a debuff that locks away their DPS skills Dia/Holy/Glare for the duration equivalent to the number of stacked buff they gave someone else multiplied by WHM's GCD recast timer. Something similar to Bunshin - where AoE and single target skills get scaled accordingly based on WHM's Glare/Holy potencies.

The problem with Assize is precisely that you don’t get to use the healing when you want to. Sure you can optimize healing around it, but It’s always a DPS loss to hold it.

Sounds like Assize should just get 2 charges so every 45 seconds WHM can hold onto 1 assize to use for healing, something similar to PLD/GNB's dash attack. As long as they have the requisite weave windows, Assize can then be used for healing while not losing the feeling of being a strong counterattack that also hits hard too.

[Absurdity]

I have a lot of issues but with Scholar's number of faerie actions, feeling like cluttered skills. I wish the Seraph was just an "evolved" form of the fairy, together with evolving her skills. I mean, it's probably fine as it is now, but it kind feel a bit messy.

I guess they could combine Fey Blessing with Consolation and simply switch those two depending on whether or not Seraph is active... most of the skills however do already just turn into the Seraph version when you summon her.
While they're at it they might as well give Fey Blessing a second charge as well since that ability is extremely underwhelming.

[Liam_Harper]

The problem with Assize is precisely that you don’t get to use the healing when you want to. Sure you can optimize healing around it, but It’s always a DPS loss to hold it.

Making Assize 2 charges and an instant GCD (with potency tweak) would be a much simpler fix, simultaneously creating weave windows and allowing us to hold every Assize after the first for healing. It would improve WhM's aoe healing a lot, allowing it more of that strong healing identity without being a Medica II spamming healbot.

It's something they could have added in a patch long ago without needing a full rework, I'm baffled they never think of things like that.

[Grimoire-M]

Adding charges on Assize wouldn’t solve that problem as instead you would simply use it under raid buff windows past the opener where you would consistently dump both. That is why you explicitly have to change the healing aspect into an indirect resource that can then be used for healing later on. If the damage to healing ratio was different I would agree.

[Liam_Harper]

I'd doubt it's that simple, you'd be taking 2 free heals or weave/movement windows and blowing them for that marginal dps gain. What's more likely is that Assize would become the new movement tool, since it wouldn't carry the 75 potency loss of lilies, or used to eliminate clipping since that's a potential 100 potency loss each time. Still, at least it's something you can weigh up the value of saving for healing/weave or lining up with raid buffs. You'd likely still be able to log 99's using Assize to heal/weave and it would significantly boost WhM's heal output while doing decent damage. Currently you sacrifice a lot of healing to do high damage.

Overall an improvement and easy to slot into a patch until we got a real rework.

[Bobsmiaw]

We can add instant GCD damage to Lily with potency of 225.
This ability consume a Lily but will not give Blood Lily in return.
Currently, 1 Blood Lily is equal to 225 potency per GCD (miserry 900 potency/4 GCD).
The ability will not change WHM overall dps.
If combined with 2 charge GCD Assize, I believe WHM will have a very smooth game play.