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    Pray Return
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    Conjurer Lv 70

    The Relic Quests are a great example of poor game design

    I'm not talking about the Relic weapons themselves. I understand that DoM/DoW Relic weapons are usually one step behind the current raid tier (e.g., currently 500 for the Relic vs 505 for the Edenchoir weapons), and that's fine because it rewards those who raid. I have bigger issues with the Skysung tools as you can simply make or buy Aesthete's weapons from the Market Board and then pentameld it and have something that's better than the Relic DoH/DoL tools. But this also is not my main issue.

    My main issue is the fact that in order to do these quests, you have to have - for every single class/job - an "alternative" weapon/tool on you to even do these dumb quests. For example, to upgrade your Resistance Relic weapon in Gangos, you have to talk to the NPC as the relevant DoM/DoW class/job but without the Relic Weapon for that class/job equipped. This means that you have to have some random extra weapon for that class/job on you for the sole purpose of upgrading your Resistance Relic weapon. The same thing goes for the Skysung tools - you cannot talk to Nimie to have them upgraded with those tools equipped, and so you have to have some other tool on you for that same class/job (fortunately, I think most folks will have Aesthete's, but it's still annoying that they did it this way).

    The biggest issue with this approach is that the Armoury Chest can hold only 35 weapons/tools, but there are 29 classes/jobs in this game. As a result, you literally don't have enough space in your Armoury Chest to carry even 2 weapons for each job/class. Having more retainer/inventory space would be nice, as would having a much bigger glamour dresser with additional glamour plates. However, something else SE needs to fix is the size of the Armoury Chest as it's currently ridiculously small.
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    Ritzia Flameshadow
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    I was just talking about this with some friends yesterday since I got all of the skysung tools in about 3 days, if I didn’t already have my aesthete tools I would have had to buy low level tools in order to turn in my relics. It’s definitely an issue that needs to be fixed, you need 28 different mainhands from your relics in order to augment each item. We should be able to accept the quest on the job we want it for but be able to turn in on any job.
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    Zedlizvez Mikasch
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    Lock the class, OR make make the weapon required to be spare in the inventory, but not both.

    Seriously, it's like they are just admitting that they think of the relic as glam that won't actually be used or equipped.
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    Astrid Arkwright
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    Monk Lv 90
    I keep a ton of weapons for glam on my retainers so I just used the bell at the doman enclave and teleported to gangos using the aetheryte that is right next to it.

    I don't think you can unequip a weapon completely anyway so to change this would probably be more complicated than it seems at a glance.
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    Toe Socks
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    You can buy a lvl 1 weapon/tool for like 60 gil and sell it after you upgrade your relic. You don't need to hold 2 of everything
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    Adrian Gungnir
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    Lock the class, OR make make the weapon required to be spare in the inventory, but not both.

    Seriously, it's like they are just admitting that they think of the relic as glam that won't actually be used or equipped.

    I've had a similar complaint; the weapons have a use (to a point), but its weird how they're handling the Tools though I'm being told its not the final step for it, so we will see what is going on.

    But if they make another green gear alongside the final step then yes I think that is BS.
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    Adeacia Lightheart
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    In order to upgrade the weapon, the game removes it from your inventory and replaces it with a new one. If you are equipped with it, you are then not equipped with any weapon. The game does not allow you to not have a weapon equipped. Based on what I have observed, that is the reason this happens.
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    Aurora Aura
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    I agree that the Amory chest should be increase, but its becuase we know SE will add new jobs and I'd like the space to have at least one weapon on hand for each class.

    The relic thing could be addressed by making it so that having the relic equipped counts then replacing the equipped weapon after the cutscene, though I suspect that technical limitations are in play for that.

    I have the Anima weapon stashed in my saddlebag, mostly because I find it amoral to trash these specific weapons (you know due to having a soul in them) but they do come in handy for these sort of transitions (though I still have to get weapons for 4 other jobs)
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    Liam Harper
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    Is there any reason they can't allow us to hand in the quest to upgrade a specific relic as any class? If you (for example) handed in a BLM weapon as a SAM, you'll always get an upgraded BLM anyway so it doesn't matter, then the quests after can go back to being BLM only.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Is there any reason they can't allow us to hand in the quest to upgrade a specific relic as any class? If you (for example) handed in a BLM weapon as a SAM, you'll always get an upgraded BLM anyway so it doesn't matter, then the quests after can go back to being BLM only.
    They can, or have done so in the past, but its not as big of an issue, as having to disequip your best(and probably only)weapon for a job to complete said quest. Even if theres easy workarounds(buy a cheap weapon, keep a replica in your inventory, etc) I 100 percent agree with OP that having only just enough space to hold 1 weapon per job, is a bit assinine. So what if they make bank on retainers, theres no reason for such limited slots for job equipment(especially rings, rings are the worst slot)
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