Please fix the “naked queueing” for Aliance Raids

[Morningstar1337]

How is it "selfish"?

I can see the reasoning here. Allience Roulette could rnage form low effort high reward like MSQ with Prae or high effort like a level below Mentor with EXs. So Players that just want to tack the lazy way out would rather have the easiest content (in this case, LOTA and ST), thus depriving players of the chance to queve into other Alliance raids for the exclusive rewards (the gear, the Orc Rolls, the TT cards and esp the Minions). Which also has a knock on effect on the general skill of the parties that do manage to get in the later raids. To elaborate, where as the naked players would get a queve they would also by necessity take up to 23 other players with them, and thats 23 players that might know how not to wipe to the likes of Ozma or TG Cid. therefore the success rate of the parties that do get in Mhach or Beyond would hypothetically diminish. and that ignores the possibility of the naked man knowing how to do that content but just doens't want to.

Furthermore, the idea of roulettes aren't to shower endgame players with tomes and gil, rather they are there to fill bodies so that sprouts can do the content. Limiting the results to 3 Raids runs counter to the purpose of the rouelttes. so yeah forcing CT runs can indeed be considered selfish.

However as other had said such slothful folk are few and far between. they are a factor but the amount of pre-60 folk queuing is likely a larger reason why CT is common. (that and it being the only MSQ-required raid series so far).

Likely solutions would be Ivalice giving higher EXP rewards or making all the ARs mandatory for MSQ progression.

[GrizzlyTank]

Sorry but i still need for finish off my Amon set!

Also missing a pair of panties.

[Gemina]

What bad precedent though?

If people want access to the (completely nonessential btw) alliance roulette they'd just need to unlock the appropriate raids (which would be easier to queue for since no one could ilvl cheese the roulette that's supposed to help them pop) by doing some casual content.

Theres no gatekeeping here, it's just asking people to play the game they sub to... or not, but then also not get a free handout of exp/tomes/whatever.

I believe I mentioned it in my last post. When it comes to exp rewards, a player shouldn't all of a sudden get denied access to a roulette because they hit level 60/70/etc. That is the impression I got from the poster I quoted. That feels like I am being punished for getting to previous level caps.

I do try to be open to suggestions, but feel compelled to mention when they might have a negative impact on the game. In this case, I feel it would almost be better to sync a fresh 50/60/70 up to the ilv required to go into the last AR of that level cap instead of shutting them out of the roulette entirely. This will at least open up the roulette to all three ARs appropriate to their level. It's not a free hand out when the player can find themselves in a raid that takes longer to clear.

[RyuDragnier]

Likely solutions would be Ivalice giving higher EXP rewards or making all the ARs mandatory for MSQ progression.

Well they DID make the Ivalice raids mandatory for the new relic weapons...I have a feeling they'll be making Void Ark mandatory down the road soon for something in the 6.x series.

[Vickii]

I didn’t know you could do that but to be honest I’m happy to get the original 3 raids in roulette. They are far quicker and less likely to fail. If I want something from a raid I’ll queue for it directly.

[Vickii]

Well they DID make the Ivalice raids mandatory for the new relic weapons...I have a feeling they'll be making Void Ark mandatory down the road soon for something in the 6.x series.

They aren’t mandatory though, it’s different. Every player at a certain level HAS to unlock the crystal tower and have them on their raid roulette.

Yes it means more players will unlock the raid if they want the legendary, but I don’t think it’s had much of an impact personally, I don’t see Ivalice that much more than void ark.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

It is not my civic duty to reduce queue times. I raid Labyrinth because I want to and because it has faster completion and queue times. It's all perfectly logical to do so. I even completed my Ninja glam doing so when leveling up my alts, took me about 40 runs to accomplish it.

If you are queing for Labyrinth, that's fine. If you are purposely lowering your ilvl so the roulette puts you there then that is exploiting. Thankfully people have to do all three of those raids for MSQ now but the other raids are side quests and do not have to be unlocked fully or at all.

People who are actually queing for the lower raids aren't the problem. People who are exploiting so they don't have to put forth effort are. There's glams and items and enjoyment to have in each raid tier and those people are taking that possibility away (however small it is---one under level 60 person in 24 will net you a CT raid but one person doing the exploit will also do that even if everyone is 70+).

This is an extremely old gripe and so far the devs have done nothing to stop it. I posted a solution in 3 parts: separate the CT raids into a separate roulette called Alliance MSQ, require full unlock of each raid tier a player decides to start before the roulette becomes available, based on player level (so all CT if under lvl 60, all Void Raids if under lvl 70, etc--assuming the player chose to unlock those) and make the minimum ilvl requirement for the roulette to be based on the first raid tier that matches the players actual level. So if you're level 80, you have to que with the ilvl requirements for Copied Factory at minimum.

The easiest thing would to simply make every players level scale like other games do, like in Bozja but we'll see I guess.

[Veis_Alveare]

I believe I mentioned it in my last post. When it comes to exp rewards, a player shouldn't all of a sudden get denied access to a roulette because they hit level 60/70/etc. That is the impression I got from the poster I quoted. That feels like I am being punished for getting to previous level caps.

I do try to be open to suggestions, but feel compelled to mention when they might have a negative impact on the game. In this case, I feel it would almost be better to sync a fresh 50/60/70 up to the ilv required to go into the last AR of that level cap instead of shutting them out of the roulette entirely. This will at least open up the roulette to all three ARs appropriate to their level. It's not a free hand out when the player can find themselves in a raid that takes longer to clear.

I'm not really pickey about the minor logistics. I'd be happy to say sync people who get Orbonne to whatever the ilvl of the gear dropped in Orbonne is if they're below that and similarly for other roulette options.

I don't think it's a big deal though. Get to 60, lose access to AR roulette, unlock level 60 alliance raids... regain access? Like, that doesn't seem inexcusably traumatic or difficult to me. It isn't a punishment, it's an expectation that people unlock the content relevant to their level and what they're doing.

I think this is also made all the more important by the inclusion of the CT raids in the main story now. Previously I'd left the CT raids locked on my 2 alts as to avoid getting them at all via the roulette (not ideal but the best I could do) and now I'll be unable to do that going forward. If I need to have Baby's First Alliance Raid unlocked the least other people could do is pick up the other ones.

[linayar]

Wanting to clear any duty in the most efficent manner possible is a good goal that everyone should have.

Manipulating antiquated game systems to save yourself time at the cost of other players is lazy, entitled and not something anyone reasonable would do or endorse.

If you're signing up for a roulette, it's not a cost to you what you get. Dungeon conflicts, on the other hand, is a cost to someone one way or the other.

And most importantly, this attitude hinders the real purpose of this roulette.

There are too many factors to consider for that. For example, I don't unlock all alliance raids on my alts as I only unlock content for story or if I want something, and I've already experienced all the alliance raid stories and most of the rewards are not something I want. For a long time, I didn't even bother unlocking CT until now and did just fine with my roulettes.

And personally, I got into all the alliance raids on my main often enough, like this morning getting into Orbonne and Copied Factory the day before, so a wait here and there isn't really hindering in the grand scheme of things.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

If you are queing for Labyrinth, that's fine. If you are purposely lowering your ilvl so the roulette puts you there then that is exploiting. Thankfully people have to do all three of those raids for MSQ now but the other raids are side quests and do not have to be unlocked fully or at all.

People who are actually queing for the lower raids aren't the problem. People who are exploiting so they don't have to put forth effort are. There's glams and items and enjoyment to have in each raid tier and those people are taking that possibility away (however small it is---one under level 60 person in 24 will net you a CT raid but one person doing the exploit will also do that even if everyone is 70+).

This is an extremely old gripe and so far the devs have done nothing to stop it. I posted a solution in 3 parts: separate the CT raids into a separate roulette called Alliance MSQ, require full unlock of each raid tier a player decides to start before the roulette becomes available, based on player level (so all CT if under lvl 60, all Void Raids if under lvl 70, etc--assuming the player chose to unlock those) and make the minimum ilvl requirement for the roulette to be based on the first raid tier that matches the players actual level. So if you're level 80, you have to que with the ilvl requirements for Copied Factory at minimum.

The easiest thing would to simply make every players level scale like other games do, like in Bozja but we'll see I guess.

Enforcing any asinine ilvl locks or upscaling won't work when people simply don't have to unlock the higher level raids because they aren't mandatory.

Want to solve any "issues" with roulette fixing? Make all duties and ilvl of the highest available duty mandatory.

Oh look, you solved a gripe of a couple of people by opening a huge can of worms.