Extreme and Savage flashy weapons

[Juzjuzz]

Ultimate weapons are shiny (kinda) i think it's a good thing.

Extreme weapons not being shiny (or not becoming shiny after some farming) is BS. I'm not against ppl buying it, but let players just farm to get it. Locking shiny weapons behind crafting is weird (and it's not even challenging to do it's braindead when you get the materials).

Savage is even worse, it's basically a normal weapon. I'm okay with normal weapons (some players enjoy that i'm sure) but no shiny things ? Come on let me have something shiny. Let me flex a bit more (until chad "i ceared uwu/ucob/TEA" player comes).

Come on some players can just farm braindead dungeons, fates etc and get cool looking weapons. Savage players don't get shinies, WHY ? XD

Let me suffer more without falling asleep lmao !

And before you ask : no i'm not going to ultimate now, it's not like i can clear it as fast as a savage raid you know :') it takes a lot of time etc...

[MPK]

yeah a rare material drop for savage would be cool tbh

[Juzjuzz]

yeah a rare material drop for savage would be cool tbh

Yeah or even just books from all raids (farm e1s->e4s to get the e4s flashy weapon etc...), savage players will have a reason to farm and it's cheaper than a new raid or another unreal.

[MPK]

Yeah or even just books from all raids (farm e1s->e4s to get the e4s flashy weapon etc...), savage players will have a reason to farm and it's cheaper than a new raid or another unreal.

I don't think it should be available with books tbh should just be a rare material drop imo that way people can't just farm it day 1 and call it

[Juzjuzz]

I don't think it should be available with books tbh should just be a rare material drop imo that way people can't just farm it day 1 and call it

It depends on how much books they ask.
If the drop is as rare as extreme mounts, idk if it's better. I have done the latest extreme 50 time and didn't get the mount, getting to 99 is just painful and not really fun (you do the exact same thing without any variation). And some lucky players just get the mount fast and don't join again too.

[Bsrking5]

No, why are you asking to remove content for crafters? You want a shiny weapon do a relic. More content good, removing content bad.

[Juzjuzz]

No, why are you asking to remove content for crafters? You want a shiny weapon do a relic. More content good, removing content bad.

My idea is just : " let people get the weapon by farming ", some players without money to spend on weapons will gladly take that option. Player who have money and want to craft can continue to do it the old way.

EDIT: And come on i just said farming relics is boring lol. I don't want to feel sleepy while playing.

[Crushnight]

Savage players get
-a mount from a4s, a12s, o4s, o8s, o12s, e4s and e8s, we could also assume e12s will have a mount drop as well, all these mounts have unique mount music
-Dyeable version of 8 man raid gear, there is no way around not doing savage for this and for a good amount of people it is a good enough incentive.
-a weapon, yea normal doesn't even give you a weapon no need to make it glowy if there is only 1 version of it and that 1 version is savage only, if they did another release expect said release to be all look at me all sparkly and glowy.
-BiS gear for current tier and Ultimates, this is another incentive a lot of people are happy to go in for just so they can see numbers go up and booms become BOOMS!


Savage has plenty of incentives to go in for it already but I wouldn't say no to adding crafting drops to every fight in the tier that allows you to get a glowy form of the savage weapon just atm I think adding Primal Weapons to DNC and GNB are probably higher on their to do if we can spare time list than new savage glowy weapons a lot of people haven't actually been asking them for.

Also most Ultimate weapons are reskins, Rdm and Sam weapons for UcoB and UWU are the exceptions, that is why they are so glowy to try and set them apart from the thing they responded especially when it had a glow version already(looking at UWU weapons specifically here).

[Juzjuzz]

Savage players get
-a mount from a4s, a12s, o4s, o8s, o12s, e4s and e8s, we could also assume e12s will have a mount drop as well, all these mounts have unique mount music
-Dyeable version of 8 man raid gear, there is no way around not doing savage for this and for a good amount of people it is a good enough incentive.
-a weapon, yea normal doesn't even give you a weapon no need to make it glowy if there is only 1 version of it and that 1 version is savage only, if they did another release expect said release to be all look at me all sparkly and glowy.
-BiS gear for current tier and Ultimates, this is another incentive a lot of people are happy to go in for just so they can see numbers go up and booms become BOOMS!


Savage has plenty of incentives to go in for it already but I wouldn't say no to adding crafting drops to every fight in the tier that allows you to get a glowy form of the savage weapon just atm I think adding Primal Weapons to DNC and GNB are probably higher on their to do if we can spare time list than new savage glowy weapons a lot of people haven't actually been asking them for.

Also most Ultimate weapons are reskins, Rdm and Sam weapons for UcoB and UWU are the exceptions, that is why they are so glowy to try and set them apart from the thing they responded especially when it had a glow version already(looking at UWU weapons specifically here).

There a lot of reasons sure, but not enough compared to extreme mounts/shiny weapons. It's not that long to get (you don't alway need/want everything), so adding something else is not a crazy idea imo. On chaos not many players farm e1s>e4s even if it's easier than before.
As for making another crafting drop it's a good idea when i think more about it, but i don't think it's that great if only crafters and players with money get a nice looking weapon (or players with nice friends).
Crafters have special weapons, but players who don't want to craft just get nothing (it a good reason to start crafting sure but a lot of player just won't farm because of that). Let savage/extreme farmers have a nice weapon too (even if it's something different idk), something you don't get by paying or crafting. Another reason to go to savage because you don't have a choice. Mounts are here sure but it's quick when you find the group and the fun ends fast.
With sb & shb relics players HAVE to farm to get their weapon (same for ultimate weapons, you have to clear to get your trophey), cafting and money doesnt help. Extreme and Savage players (without crafters, good friends or money) don't have that.
Imagine having to clear extreme/savage with minimum ilvl several time in order to get the shiny weapon you want. Even if it's not as hard as a brand new raid, it's still better than always just getting unsynched destroy the raid and end it fast.
Edit : What i want to say is it's not like there's no reason to farm, but it's just not enough to get people play at that level more. Usually it's just not that long to get everything you want (the actual long part is finding players for old savage tiers).

[Morningstar1337]

I think there are two factors at play here but they both relate to glamour.

1. Savage Gear. The Savage Gear is less glowy in comparison because the devs also seem to overvalue dyeability (considering unupgraded time gear and the first stage of relics are undyeable, Likewise most dungeon gear [Darkhold I think excluded] up to Sirensong is also undyeable), so they make the Savage gear dyeable to entice people to raid. The exceptions are the Weapons but that's because they were already exclusive to Savage to begin with). Ultimates MIGHT address it for the wepaons but only for one Tier and that's assuming they don't get passed over for the AF weapons.
2. Regarding Primal weapons, there actually are two exceptions (Levi and Shiva) and they aren't dyeable but they do seem to an means for crafters and people doing the trials to get gil.