FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[Velnora]

Yes they do. Every single one of them.

And language filters are simply that. XIV has them too. But there's also a difference between swearing and swearing at people.

No, they absolutely do not.

[Vahlnir]

No, they absolutely do not.

Yes, they absolutely do.

[Silverneck]

Op if you waste people's time they are going to get upset. I understand that many people are not hardcore players however, I have been in far too many parties where people simply do not read nor care about mechanics.

I have had horrific experiences in the level 80 roulette (NOT EXPERT), I used to main DRK meaning i had no self sustain. I then had this displeasure of having a healer that died to the same mechanic roughly 9 times in a row. We stopped, I explained and they confirmed they understood then boom 20 sec into the fight they are dead again. I wasn't hostile or anything I just excused myself and left the party but, understand that I wasted (for lack of a better word) roughly 70 minutes explaining a very simple mechanic to this guy. I think anyone would get upset, as a result of that encounter (and many similar ones) I completely refuse to do content solo on my DRK. I switched to PLD for dailies now because I can self heal through most of the dungeons as i have a hard time trusting random healers.

You might contend that its toxic but I don't want to spend 70 mins on a dungeon thats suppose to be done in 15 minutes. Everyone is using their time here and it's unfair to expect everyone to just be all smiles and rainbows when one person is holding the entire group back. Their are so many options if you struggle, excuse yourself from the group, go watch a guide on youtube, go read you tooltips, check out a class guide, etc.

[linayar]

There are some convenient half-truths and half-lies mixed in there. Being either a Hardcore MMO Player or Casual Player is all about time commitment, nothing more and nothing less.

That is an oversimplification that doesn't exactly match the definitions of those words. Those words that I listed are not my definitions, by the way, so I'm not sure what you mean by half-lies when I just looked up the definitions and listed them.

A Hardcore Player is someone who willing to play many Hours of one type of Content (often in one go without putting much time into necessary things such as sleep or hygiene for example) until he gets the desired result or object. A good example for this in FFXIV terms, would be if you would aim for the Triceratops/Centurio Mount and try to catch EVERY single Hunt train and callout for the next 3 Months or so, or, if you spent 16+ Hours crafting every day just to get that Pteranodon Mount, until the point of obtaining it.

Now a casual Player, is nothing more than someone, who only runs Content on his own Terms and never for truly a long period of time. Doing the same Grinds as mentioned above, but only every now and then, like for example, after getting off work and playing 1-5 Hours every now and then, is already considered as playing casually.



Tl;dr: Attitude has nothing to do with someone being hardcore or casual, its all about time commitment.

Like I said, you're taking a narrow and oversimplified view of the terms. Attitude definitely has a part depending on which definitions you're using, like the first two definitions listed under hardcore or the first definition listed under casual.

fan vote, so it's not saying much

It's limited in scope to those who would bother to vote, but it's still saying something in comparison to the other competing games.

if it'd have been a neutral jury or magazine that'd have crowned the XIV community the best fanbase, that'd be something wholly different
that's like asking a baker if his bakery is the best - of course he'll say yes, why wouldn't he? parading that the fanbase voted for itself as the best community as some gotcha moment is hilarious

There cannot be a neutral judge when it comes to something that is very subjective. That is why popular vote is the best way to gauge how people feel about their own community.

[Velnora]

Yes, they absolutely do.

It's your story.

[Anhra]

That is an oversimplification that doesn't exactly match the definitions of those words. Those words that I listed are not my definitions, by the way, so I'm not sure what you mean by half-lies when I just looked up the definitions and listed them.

Like I said, you're taking a narrow and oversimplified view of the terms. Attitude definitely has a part depending on which definitions you're using, like the first two definitions listed under hardcore or the first definition listed under casual.

It is simplified in explaination, because that's all there is to it. Your opinion about personality taking a role into someone being hardcore/casual, is only referencing to stereotypes. Casual Players can be just as toxic/friendly as Hardcore Players just as both can be either good or bad at the Game theyre playing.

Also, if you dont provide any proper explaination to your claims, then your statement about me being wrong holds no gravity.

[LittleImp]

The terms Hardcore / casual as used by this game's community kind of have their own colloquial implications. It's usually delineated by the content being participated in. In this game, 'hardcore' usually means combat-related content with a competitive element, particularly savage / ultimate / pvp. Sometimes it's applied to people who were topping leaderboards on ishgard restoration.

Personally, I've always found this funny, as I know self-identified 'casual' players who play the game more obsessively than I do; They simply spend most of that time decorating, rping and socializing. Typically I find 'casual' is a self-imposed label that just means "I don't feel motivated to do anything above EX difficulty", but has no real bearing on their dedication to the game at large.

[AtlasS]

OP is a freestyle Samurai

[Nethereal]

Yes, they absolutely do.

I think there's a distinction missing in this particular part of the conversation.

Every game has a draconian ToS it's just not enforced. It's in place so that the companies have absolute power over the players but a majority of companies don't use even a quarter of the rights they have over players it's simply a contingency.

As someone who has played a lot mmorpg games for the past 20 ish years I can say that FFXIV is the most heavily policed game I've seen since I've started playing mmorpgs to date on the market.
The closest thing to it might by LoL's toxic/leaver's queue. No other game is as heavily policed.

You did touch on this on your earlier post but I don't think you really highlighted how big of a difference it actually is relative to other mmorpgs.
As long as it's not racist it's pretty much the wild west in every other game, maybe you get in trouble once every 3 years for something you did 2 years ago after 100 reports.
Now if that's a good or bad thing I can't really say.

I would however say that players do notice how policed a game is and it does create a lean towards a certain personality type as they all congregate to the same place.

[Anhra]

I think there's a distinction missing in this particular part of the conversation.

Every game has a draconian ToS it's just not enforced. It's in place so that the companies have absolute power over the players but a majority of companies don't use even a quarter of the rights they have over players it's simply a contingency.

As someone who has played a lot mmorpg games for the past 20 ish years I can say that FFXIV is the most heavily policed game I've seen since I've started playing mmorpgs to date on the market.
The closest thing to it might by LoL's toxic/leaver's queue. No other game is as heavily policed.

You did touch on this on your earlier post but I don't think you really highlighted how big of a difference it actually is relative to other mmorpgs.
As long as it's not racist it's pretty much the wild west in every other game, maybe you get in trouble once every 3 years for something you did 2 years ago after 100 reports.
Now if that's a good or bad thing I can't really say.

I would however say that players do notice how policed a game is and it does create a lean towards a certain personality type as they all congregate to the same place.

The ToS in FFXIV are mostly fine, but i think their way of punishing People are a bit too hard in certain aspects, like if someone starts insulting someone can already lead to a ban (just disabling the chat of that Person ingame should be enough imo) which WILL be hold aganist you for the next 3-5 years if anything else should ever happen.

The longer you play this Game and start caring about it, it is only a matter of time until you slip up for the first time and drop the soap.
And before anyone says it:
No it still does not make it fair even if you get issued a warning at first before u get banned next time for language reasons. Calling someone a Casual for example, CAN AND WILL be considered as a insult already which is just silly.