FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[Jojoya]

That's debattable. FFXIV offers Savage content. Clearly the developers enjoy creating more complex content.

Savage might be more challenging than most of the other content in the game but it is still casual content.

You don't have to no-life raiding to get through all 4 bosses before the next 4 are released. You just need a few hours a week along with a solid grasp of your job and ability to recognize/react to fight mechanics.

The best players will clear the content faster, of course, but they're not the only ones capable of clearing it while it's current.

[Setesh45]

Savage might be more challenging than most of the other content in the game but it is still casual content.

You don't have to no-life raiding to get through all 4 bosses before the next 4 are released. You just need a few hours a week along with a solid grasp of your job and ability to recognize/react to fight mechanics.

The best players will clear the content faster, of course, but they're not the only ones capable of clearing it while it's current.

I have played plenty of mmo's, most of the big ones and I don't remember a single one that would fit your description in the last 10 years or longer.

[Nethereal]

Idk about this, I've yet to see an "Elitist" writing a 50 page doctoral dissertation with accompanying graphics and powerpoint on why people should adjust to their and their gaming preferences only because they are the big good and yours is big smelly doo doo bad one.

Most often than not, "Elitists" will just kick you from their party and blacklist you if your gaming preferences are not in accordance with that of the group, and both you and them will be able to carry on with your merry lives.

One approach is more mature than the other.

r/whoosh

10inc.

[Avidria]

Savage might be more challenging than most of the other content in the game but it is still casual content.

You don't have to no-life raiding to get through all 4 bosses before the next 4 are released. You just need a few hours a week along with a solid grasp of your job and ability to recognize/react to fight mechanics.

So genuine question here, but is that how you'd define hardcore content? Needing to "no life" to clear one tier before the next?

Does a game like that even exist? I mean I won't be surprised if the answer is yes but like...

Idk I just feel like the whole casual vs hardcore debate is kinda silly when there are so many, apparently wildly different, opinions on what "hardcore" and "casual" actually mean. @OP does anyone even actually believe this is a hardcore game? Is literally anyone unironically expecting "Savage" level performance from random pugs outside of Savage content (and genuinely believing that's a reasonable expectation)? I mean I'm certain there are some out there who do, but I sure hope it's not a huge number of people.

Expecting people to put in any level of effort at all to go beyond the absolute bare minimum in multiplayer content =/= being elitist.

[Fellgon]

For me any player that play more than one hour in a game, is not casual gamer, a casual game you spend 10, 20 minutes of gameplay, suchs cellphones games. For me 14 have content for everyone, and locking players progression is not ok. Everyone should be able to do any content soon ir later than others.

[RitsukoSonoda]

For me any player that play more than one hour in a game, is not casual gamer, a casual game you spend 10, 20 minutes of gameplay, suchs cellphones games. For me 14 have content for everyone, and locking players progression is not ok. Everyone should be able to do any content soon ir later than others.

I'd say IMO playing a game less than 20 hours a week is casual. This would amount to less than 2 hours per day provided it was played every day but basically makes allowances for non active days. Playing more than that is where you'd start crossing a threshold. To me casual and hardcore are still terms denoting the amount of time someone spends playing a game and has no actual bearing on someone's skill level or aptitude playing the game. There are players that play the game 40+ hours a week that spend a majority of boss fights face down on the floor and players that play the game an hour or 2 a couple days a week that clear ultimate trials and any other content they run without issue.

[Fellgon]

i have a sugestion for "hardcore" players: lets clear this game in old 80's way: first you must master the art of kanji writing for any final fantasy game (cant play game in english), after that, you clear the story till savage, then you cant see any youtube guide neither ff14 magazines to help you (if it still exist), after you clear savage in japanese, you must progress to ultimate in "dark souls" style, if you wipe once, you lose 10 or more levels of the job... if wipe twice, you lose level and some materia...and so on. The creativity for dificulty never ends.

[Fellgon]

A professional of the phisical education, is casual for games as mutch a gamer who dont exercise mutch is casual to gym.

[Ayche]

Surely FFXIV is made for whoever is down with the content they are making.
Or is this a "reclaim the past" kind of whistle? I am getting that kind of vibe from some people in this thread.

[Shin96]

Savage might be more challenging than most of the other content in the game but it is still casual content.

You don't have to no-life raiding to get through all 4 bosses before the next 4 are released. You just need a few hours a week along with a solid grasp of your job and ability to recognize/react to fight mechanics.

The best players will clear the content faster, of course, but they're not the only ones capable of clearing it while it's current.

No Savage isn't casual whatsoever. It takes time to gear up and learn the mechanics appropriately. It's not a trip to the bathroom.

The reason "casuals" suck is because they're throwing hissy fits when anyone is better than them. Much to their irony, it takes effort to get there and that's why they suck.

Get real. Not everyone is a braindead idiot that wants shit to be handed on a silver platter to them. I very much respect and appreciate when a game treats me like an adult with sophisticated interests.

As for FFXIV.. it offers multiple challenges and battle content isn't necessarily restricted to casual content. The Ishgard Restoration proved dedication is rewarded. In fact, I managed to score there too, albeit not far.