I hope the Nier raids aren't a sign of the future

[Acelyn]

shadowbringers at first was the best expac yet to me but after dealing with the nier raids its really dropped. My main issue is that ff14 pulls from the history of the final fantasy series as a whole to make its own stories and thats awesome....so why bring in and tack on another completely different game?

What really brought this gripe on was playing in bojza, which is very optional content because you dont even need to go in it for that shiny new weapon, but anyway, the story thats happening in there is very well put together yet relegated to bojza, the new eureka. I bet players skip right past it which is a shame.

Meanwhile the nier raids for me at least, I dont care for them at all, i've never played nier, know nothing about it and after having it shoved in my face like this if I did have any curiosity then its been violently extinguished. I admit they're well put together(copied factory is overly long, puppet is better on that)the music is neat i guess, not a fan of the moody glam.

The main issue is the nier content is alliance raids, I now have to run content that I dont care about every week for months to keep up, this isnt fun, this is annoying and grating each time i go into this content, I feel nothing for it, I dont push my rotation to outdo anyone else, i pick my easiest/no responsibilty job(sam) and just go through the motions, i feel nothing when i queue for this until its over and i rush for the exit. sry for being dramatic.

on the flipside theres the ivalice raids! those were perfect how they weaved in tactics in so many ways, I was always amped to run into those and still am, same with the mhachi tier....and even though im tired of them, even crystal tower. I subbed for final fantasy not whatever game they wanna cram in.

I'm not against nier being added in but it SHOULD NOT be alliance content, nothing that isnt final fantasy should get that big of a role in this game, anything you have to do every week, multiple times should be pure FF content. in the past other content like that was small trials like monster hunter or the yokai event, nier shouldve been like the four lords quests, would still get their quality fights and story but also it wouldnt get crammed in your face, you'd finish it and that would be that, theyll pop up in roulettes and no biggie.

Because of nier in this game, well, i now dislike nier because ff14 is my fave game and im stuck with nier forever in it sadly but also im on edge because 6.0 is being worked on, we know nothing about it and although the content makes me sad i know its been a hit and they're toiling on something for that alliance spot and I can only hope it gets back to FF content.

[Adeacia]

The Nier raid actually got me wanting to play Nier Automata itself. I have since bought and finished the game. Thinking about it, the crossover with Monster Hunter World also got me to buy that, plus its expansion.

I was already interested in both games beforehand though. The crossovers work just fine in my view, as long as they can properly integrate them into the world.

[Masked-dingus]

From my point of view, Alliance raids are just something i don't do ( considering i have nothing to gain from it, and the queueing times were just insane everytime i tried to go for it to do something on stream ), while i'm doing Boja a few hours evey day ( even tho Eureka was probably the feature i disliked the most in the whole game )... Again it's only my personal opinion but i don't see Nier getting that much of an importance compared to pure FFXIV content like the Relic

[Frizze]

I dont have much of an opinion on this topic. If they do something original, thats fine. If they reference another FF game, thats fine. If they bring in a guest creator from another game series, thats fine too. If i dont like the story, i can not pay attention to it(skip cutscenes, click fast and not read dialogue). If i dont like the raids at all, i can not run them. Its nice to have the extra option for gear/upgrades/glamour, but it isnt at all required to progress. A set of crafted gear from this tier would be more then enough to get me through the story of the next tier, let alone with some tome pieces added in. My advice to you OP, is that if you arent enjoying the nier content then stop doing it. You say you want to "keep up", and i will guarantee you that you wont "fall behind" in any noticable way by being a couple ilvls lower.

And as an aside, i saw just as many people complaining last expansion that they "wasted the alliance content slot" on the Ivalice retread. They didnt want references to older games, they wanted something new to explore. My point, i guess, is that no piece of content is for everyone. Learn to accept this as a fact, because it cant change.

[Besame]

After the nightmare that was the Eurekas, you couldn't pay me to do this new one. Too much hassle for this child.

[Espon]

I feel Nier being an alliance raid is a little out of place. I don't mind small events like the Yo-Kai Watch stuff or Rathalos fight, but for larger things like alliance raids should be strictly Final Fantasy.

[Blanchimont]

My frustration with the Nier raid is more with the lack of standardized indicators/telegraphs. It was like at some point, they just gave up and started doing random crap.

[MsMisato]

Why do you feel bad about FF XIV having NieR raids? Besides, NieR Replicant and Automata are some of the best JRPG ever made. I literally see no reason for you to be angry about it. You could just go and play those games instead of being angry about the raids... If you don't want to, that's fine but still no reason to be angry.

I think because it simply doesn't really fit the gameverse of FFXIV and it really doesn't fit. DOn't get me wrong I enjoyed the challenge the NieR raids offered but I was really hoping for a visit to another location like the previous raids did. Although I think I am one of the few that liked the HW raids but I totally loved the return to Ivalice raids.

For whatever its worth, I see why SE went this route and it was to get folks to buy the game. After doing the raids and going back to get the notes in each area to see what is up, got me to go buy NieR: Automata to see what the story is all about afterwards. And You're right the story for NieR is great. But in the end it really doesn't fit the FFXIV universe when you compared it to the last 2 raid sets we had. I think that is were the OP is coming from. I dunno I could be wrong.

[Masked-dingus]

My frustration with the Nier raid is more with the lack of standardized indicators/telegraphs. It was like at some point, they just gave up and started doing random crap.

i think this was a great addition actually, like on the first boss of the new one, at some point there are no marks, you just have to remember to pay attention to the boss itself and its movements, and that gets you out of the habit of *learning the patterns and avoid the marks without having to think*

( and i want to add up that my statement is in no way directed at or trying to blame any kind of player )

[Masked-dingus]

I think because it simply doesn't really fit the gameverse of FFXIV and it really doesn't fit. DOn't get me wrong I enjoyed the challenge the NieR raids offered but I was really hoping for a visit to another location like the previous raids did. Although I think I am one of the few that liked the HW raids but I totally loved the return to Ivalice raids.

For whatever its worth, I see why SE went this route and it was to get folks to buy the game. After doing the raids and going back to get the notes in each area to see what is up, got me to go buy NieR: Automata to see what the story is all about afterwards. And You're right the story for NieR is great. But in the end it really doesn't fit the FFXIV universe when you compared it to the last 2 raid sets we had. I think that is were the OP is coming from. I dunno I could be wrong.

Yes you got a point, even if they are 2 very good games, the universe don't fit into one another, the same with MH, i don't like MH so i just avoided the trial