[Engine related] Glass and transparency

[Jinko]

I thought glass was pretty simple to produce, its just transparency with a refraction shader isn't it ?

I wish Limsa had looked like that instead on what we have, saying that you would have to think about draw distance when it comes to transparency on that scale.

I just hope they have the lighting and shadowing done properly this time, every object should cast a shadow IMO, its makes a massive difference in how believably the world looks.

[bobbygunz]

I thought glass was pretty simple to produce, its just transparency with a refraction shader isn't it ?

I wish Limsa had looked like that instead on what we have, saying that you would have to think about draw distance when it comes to transparency on that scale.

I just hope they have the lighting and shadowing done properly this time, every object should cast a shadow IMO, its makes a massive difference in how believably the world looks.

I prefer our Limsa Lominsa to that place from the 2005 tech demo, design wise. And you know what, I don't know how someone can find the nerve to wish Lominsa didn't exist. That's so crazy (but then again, aren't you the same person who thinks Blade and Soul has creative environments? Hahaha, don't make me laugh).

Quality wise, obviously the tech demo is greater though. For example, the water from the Project Rapture video is way better, and also the shadows and plants, and what not. But that area from the tech demo would translate poorly into the game we have now, and it wouldn't look half so great I'm sure.

[Jinko]

I prefer our Limsa Lominsa to that place from the 2005 tech demo, design wise. And you know what, I don't know how someone can find the nerve to wish Lominsa didn't exist. That's so crazy (but then again, aren't you the same person who thinks Blade and Soul has creative environments? Hahaha, don't make me laugh).

Limsa would still exist you ..(bites his tongue), it would just look different.

And yes I do like the art and level design of Blade and Soul.. whats it to you ?

[Wevlum]

I prefer our Limsa Lominsa to that place from the 2005 tech demo, design wise. And you know what, I don't know how someone can find the nerve to wish Lominsa didn't exist. That's so crazy (but then again, aren't you the same person who thinks Blade and Soul has creative environments? Hahaha, don't make me laugh).

Quality wise, obviously the tech demo is greater though. For example, the water from the Project Rapture video is way better, and also the shadows and plants, and what not. But that area from the tech demo would translate poorly into the game we have now, and it wouldn't look half so great I'm sure.

Limsa is nice when you're walking between buildings, inside the builds just look like caves. The whole "city build on the sea" is lost entirely the second you go inside a building. Whereas in that video there's glass, different parts intersect with other parts (i.e. that walkway running along top of what looked like a market area). It just looks a lot more visually impressive plus half the cool looking places in limsa you can't even get to.

[bobbygunz]

Limsa is nice when you're walking between buildings, inside the builds just look like caves. The whole "city build on the sea" is lost entirely the second you go inside a building. Whereas in that video there's glass, different parts intersect with other parts (i.e. that walkway running along top of what looked like a market area). It just looks a lot more visually impressive plus half the cool looking places in limsa you can't even get to.

Well it's not really S.E.'s fault that you can't appreciate architecture, no offense. Not everything has to be over-the-top. And in any case, Limsa Lominsa isn't exactly subtle either. I mean, Limsa Lominsa is far from being "just caves". Next time you're there, maybe look around and appreciate what's around you.

Limsa would still exist you ..(bites his tongue), it would just look different.

And yes I do like the art and level design of Blade and Soul.. whats it to you ?

Exactly my point. It would be a completely different-looking place and hence wouldn't exist anymore. Unless I'm speaking a foreign language without realising it, I think I made perfect sense. It's kind of funny how in other threads you always get so annoyed when people gloss over your points or purposely misunderstand you, and then you just go and do the same thing to me.

And the reason Blade and Soul is relevant is because anyone who likes it for its "creative" art style (or lack thereof) immediately has their taste called into question.

[Jinko]

Well it's not really S.E.'s fault that you can't appreciate architecture, no offense. Not everything has to be over-the-top. And in any case, Limsa Lominsa isn't exactly subtle either. I mean, Limsa Lominsa is far from being "just caves". Next time you're there, maybe look around and appreciate what's around you.



Exactly my point. It would be a completely different-looking place and hence wouldn't exist anymore. Unless I'm speaking a foreign language without realising it, I think I made perfect sense. It's kind of funny how in other threads you always get so annoyed when people gloss over your points or purposely misunderstand you, and then you just go and do the same thing to me.

And the reason Blade and Soul is relevant is because anyone who likes it for its "creative" art style (or lack thereof) immediately has their taste called into question.

So condescending .. lol

FWIW you said "I don't know how someone can find the nerve to wish Lominsa didn't exist." you remember ?

Which suggests that I implied it never existed, I don't remember saying such a thing.

The dev team already have plans to redesign the world, including the cities, so you shouldn't get too bent out of shape when Limsa no longer looks like Limsa in 2.0.

Well, no offense, but clearly it's been a while since you've been in Limsa, because there's a lot of stuff there beyond cold and grey rocks and "precisely 2 neat things".

Although not directed at me, you say no offence and then proceed to belittle someone's opinion.

but clearly it's been a while since you've been in Limsa

How likely is that statement considering the Ul'dah Inn has been down for a few weeks now.

Changing the subject a little, I really hope they plan to have NPC's that go about doing random tasks, walking around the cities etc, just to add a bit of life to the game.

The current static NPC's that just shuffle about are pretty dull and lifeless.

[Norack]

Although not directed at me, you say no offence and then proceed to belittle someone's opinion.

Don't you know that, that is the american way? If you say no offence you are in the clear to belittle or dis respect ppl.

Like I could say, "You are a freaking moron and the world would be better off if you go kill yourself, no offence." I said no offence so its ok i can later treat it as a joke ^.^ XD.

Anyways back on topic, dang i havent seen that video in years o.0, and i dont like how FFXIV doesnt look anything like that, heck FFXI has more similarities i think.

[bobbygunz]

Which suggests that I implied it never existed, I don't remember saying such a thing.

The dev team already have plans to redesign the world, including the cities, so you shouldn't get too bent out of shape when Limsa no longer looks like Limsa in 2.0.

You remember a lot of things. It's called "selective memory". Feel free to renege on your statement at the last minute though, but we all saw it; you implied you hated Limsa Lominsa, and would rather it be replaced entirely. Why you're disputing this is beyond me. I mean, it's your stance, anyway, right?

Anyhow, I doubt they will change LL much in 2.0. There's zero proof that they intend to rectify a problem that really only exists in your mind anyway.

Oh and sorry if this sounds condescending. I don't really know how to explain politely why you're so wrong.

Besides, I love how I'm the mean one here. Everyone's picking on poor little Limsa Lominsa meanwhile I'm the one actually standing up for it. And for good reason too. I don't know what super wonderful MMOs/video games you guys all play that has all these amazing cities that put Limsa to shame, but I've sure got some magical beans to sell you if you do.

Don't you know that, that is the american way? If you say no offence you are in the clear to belittle or dis respect ppl.

Like I could say, "You are a freaking moron and the world would be better off if you go kill yourself, no offence." I said no offence so its ok i can later treat it as a joke ^.^ XD.

Anyways back on topic, dang i havent seen that video in years o.0, and i dont like how FFXIV doesnt look anything like that, heck FFXI has more similarities i think.

Where have you been lately? That's not the American way. In america, if you say no offence and then belittle someone ... they shoot you. (It's in the constitution if you don't believe me).

And wow, "even FFXI had more similarities". You people sure see what you want to see!

[Elexia]

You remember a lot of things. It's called "selective memory". Feel free to renege on your statement at the last minute though, but we all saw it; you implied you hated Limsa Lominsa, and would rather it be replaced entirely. Why you're disputing this is beyond me.

Also Hypocrisy. I mean, he even says this:

Although not directed at me, you say no offence and then proceed to belittle someone's opinion.

When all he does is belittle people's opinions too, especially if it's regarding SE's other MMO. But yeah, as for "XI having more similarities"...I'm not sure in regards to which city, while it does resemble Jeuno's layout, it still looks a bit more like Limsa than anything.

[Norack]

Where have you been lately? That's not the American way. In america, if you say no offence and then belittle someone ... they shoot you. (It's in the constitution if you don't believe me).

So, I should shoot you? No thx I don't use guns

And wow, "even FFXI had more similarities". You people sure see what you want to see!

Im not like the other meanies on this thread I dont mind if you disrespect me because I know that your scared and all alone in life, so feel free, while you do that ill go do something else and you can continue living in your world.