It would take 151 runs for a full upgraded set of Boz Gear.... WHY

[Doki]

4 Runs of CLL for a full set of gear isn't bad... however if you want the upgrades afterward:
It would take 42 runs where all prisoners survive to upgrade chest or pants. 21 runs for head, glove, boot. So 151 runs for full outfit and upgrades. The only benefit for the upgrades is a tiny bit of haste inside Boz. By the time you did that many runs you'd never want to set foot inside again. WTF is wrong with devs.

There is an extremely low chance of receiving an upgrade item directly from one of the personal chests, but you're still looking at over 100 runs of something that only spawns once an hour, and you might not get a successful run out of each hour it pops. Add in the completely random queuing system where you get a complete random mix of people, can't job change in the mini-lobby area to correct imbalances, and the fact the upgrades don't even make the gear ilvl 500! W T F is wrong with devs.

*edit* Apparently the upgrade items are sellable on AH, so I guess you could spend around 20 million to upgrade too?

[ADVSS]

4 Runs of CLL for a full set of gear isn't bad... however if you want the upgrades afterward:
It would take 42 runs where all prisoners survive to upgrade chest or pants. 21 runs for head, glove, boot. So 151 runs for full outfit and upgrades. The only benefit for the upgrades is a tiny bit of haste inside Boz. By the time you did that many runs you'd never want to set foot inside again. WTF is wrong with devs.

There is an extremely low chance of receiving an upgrade item directly from one of the personal chests, but you're still looking at over 100 runs of something that only spawns once an hour, and you might not get a successful run out of each hour it pops. Add in the completely random queuing system where you get a complete random mix of people, can't job change in the mini-lobby area to correct imbalances, and the fact the upgrades don't even make the gear ilvl 500! W T F is wrong with devs.

*edit* Apparently the upgrade items are sellable on AH, so I guess you could spend around 20 million to upgrade too?

Arent the upgrades sellable on the market board though? Not disagreeing with you, but they did "somewhat" make it much more accessible than say getting totems for ex primal mounts. my bad, been a long night/morning
Edit - it still is going to be a hard bargain, but i think over time the prices might drop. Still nothing to sneeze at by any stretch and i agree the work hard to get it approach seems unrealistic, but hopefully they might lower those costs, or up the drop chance of the upgradables. Peobably be a while for it though

[LaylaTsarra]

They drop randomly in castrum in the second boss chests I've been told. And I would suspect a nerf coming soon enough or an easier way to get the upgrades in the next relic stage. Upgraded gear will probably be a must in the endgame dungeon.

[ItMe]

Drop rates are always shit in new content (like mount farming an EX on release), but MAN that grind is taking it to a new level.

I enjoyed doing the story in Bozja, but I'm probably gonna set it aside until they adjust the numbers.
Like, I've stopped opening my lock boxes because the drop rates are just too shitty. I'll open them when I've got less than a 99% chance to get an indigo star, or when they patch more rewards in like how they added the Red Mage Barding to eureka.

[Eriane_Elis]

The drop rate for Eureka was so bad at first that it would take 1-2 years of grinding to get the emote, statistically speaking. Of course after some time this was nerfed to a more reasonable level but even still...

[Fawkes]

Arent the upgrades sellable on the market board though? Not disagreeing with you, but they did "somewhat" make it much more accessible than say getting totems for ex primal mounts. my bad, been a long night/morning

Cassie's Earring is sellable on the market too, doesn't really make it any better IMO.

[Stepjam]

The upgrades drop from castrum. The buyable version is basically the equivalent of the pity mount from extreme trials, but more of a pain in the ass to obtain.

[Alleo]

The upgrades drop from castrum. The buyable version is basically the equivalent of the pity mount from extreme trials, but more of a pain in the ass to obtain.

And yet since its pure RNG someone still could need to run it a huge amount of time to get it. Something which you cant even queue up. So you have to be lucky to get it in an instance, lucky that enough people are even there to run it, lucky that the people running it are doing it and then hoping to either get the jackpot by randomly having it in the chest or to get at least as much coins as possible.

[Doki]

As I said in the main post, I know the upgrade items are possible drop from personal chest, but it's an extremely low drop. I've seen a single person say they got one in 10+ runs. I have not gotten anything but coins, notes, music, furnishings and one minion.

I feel like they haven't learned anything from OG Diadem, to BA, to Boz. It's like they don't like the much easier queuing system they already have for instances, and want to shoehorn in alternate things that don't work nearly as well, since they are trying to get away from needing more instance servers for content people want to use.

[jamjeeshoul77]

It needs to be reduced. I can’t for the life of me figure out why they cost so much. Like, why? What is the reasoning for this? Is all future grindable content going to require literally hundreds of hours to complete? That’s astonishingly absurd. Why does this gear cost so much currency? Why?