Hrothgar and Viera cant wear the newer items?

[Akimori]

Like, OK, I completely understand that hrothgar and viera can't wear the older items from 7000000 years ago. However, it absolutely boggles mind mind how they can't wear the newer headgears and hairs? Like Did SE just completely forget about hrothgar and viera after releasing them or something? We'll maybe get a pity hat (bozja) or something that completely covers the entire head. You'd think that the newer stuff would be developed for our beloved hroths and vieras in "conjunction" with the rest of the races...They truly are making them feel more incomplete as they are left out from every new hair and headgear pieces.

I think it would be silly of someone to say "what if they'll release them later?". Why? Because why waste time and money releasing them later when you can release them at the same time as everything else?

I just think that it would make a lot more sense if they could wear the newer items and mogstation items (because I mean, lets face it, most of us dont buy the mog station items for the entire set. We typically buy them for a piece or 2....) and it makes no sense that items that people spend real life money on an item that is also limited (99% of my mog outfits were purchased when I still played Roes and Au Ras.

The new hair looks so nice and so do some of the older hairstyles and I really wish I could use them to add a bit more personality (?) or individuality to my hrothgar main and viera alt.

Also, side note: Whose good idea was it to tie specific hrothgar hairstyles to a specific head? That was probably the dumbest thing ever. Face two is my favorite, but its hair styles are not.....I like the more ronso looking face hair styles, but I dont like their actual face?

Can we stop test playing hrothgar and viera and actually get a full and complete race?

[ADVSS]

Personally feels like spite when they add something they apparently didnt want to, not sure what caused them to make hrothgar and viera at all. You guys are the new miqote, roegadyn. Something something, can't do butt sliders, nier automata raids become a thing, you still cant use slider see? Feels like "we gave you your bun buns and beast like race, stop asking for more"

[Jojoya]

Personally feels like spite when they add something they apparently didnt want to, not sure what caused them to make hrothgar and viera at all. You guys are the new miqote, roegadyn. Something something, can't do butt sliders, nier automata raids become a thing, you still cant use slider see? Feels like "we gave you your bun buns and beast like race, stop asking for more"

Players kept asking for Viera. Players kept asking for a race that didn't look essentially like a human wearing costume animal ears and tail.

So SE added Viera and Hrothgar. They warned players upfront that neither race was designed to be compatible with headgear.

There's no spite in it. If they wanted to spite players, they wouldn't have added them at all. And considering the way many players have been acting since, that would have been the better decision.

[Akimori]

Players kept asking for Viera. Players kept asking for a race that didn't look essentially like a human wearing costume animal ears and tail.

So SE added Viera and Hrothgar. They warned players upfront that neither race was designed to be compatible with headgear.

There's no spite in it. If they wanted to spite players, they wouldn't have added them at all. And considering the way many players have been acting since, that would have been the better decision.

To be fair, in a 2013 interview, there was already a race in in the planning stages (Not hrothgar specifically). They originally had no intention of adding Viera, but seeing how the playerbase reacted to Fran and how much they wanted them, they felt the need to satisfy their players. Not being compatible w/ older head gears is fine, but it makes no sense that they can't be compatible with different hair styles and what not. What kind of technical limitations are in place that prevents them from adding the newer (and older hairstyles as there aren't really that many) to hrothgar and viera. One could say its almost as simple as taking the hair, adding it to the head, fix clipping and other issues and bam done?

This sounds more like a "You got what you wanted, stop complaining!" type of response. Also, to be completely fair, I never knew people were asking for a more beast type race. I was pretty much happy playing a femroe until I fell in love w/ my hrothgar.

[ICountFrom0]

So many hats already have cat ear holes, wouldn't be too much trouble to just put bun ears through that.

[Akimori]

So many hats already have cat ear holes, wouldn't be too much trouble to just put bun ears through that.

There has to be some reason why they're unable to do it....I just can't see that reason

[Kesey]

Players kept asking for Viera. Players kept asking for a race that didn't look essentially like a human wearing costume animal ears and tail.

So SE added Viera and Hrothgar. They warned players upfront that neither race was designed to be compatible with headgear.

There's no spite in it. If they wanted to spite players, they wouldn't have added them at all. And considering the way many players have been acting since, that would have been the better decision.

This. Furthermore, the call for Viera is why there are not female Hrothgar in Bojza.

[Iscah]

So many hats already have cat ear holes, wouldn't be too much trouble to just put bun ears through that.

Viera ears are positioned differently to Miqo'te ears so the hats wouldn't be interchangeable. There are also a lot of hats where they either just build ear shapes into it - often without bothering to check if they actually line up with the underlying ear shape/size - or don't leave holes at all, like the recent Moonfire straw hat which looks like there'd be no space at all inside. It doesn't look nice on Miqo'te and it would be an even worse effect on Viera.

[Jojoya]

So many hats already have cat ear holes, wouldn't be too much trouble to just put bun ears through that.

Miqo'te ears are in a different position than Viera and Hrothgar ears. The holes wouldn't be in the correct position.

There has to be some reason why they're unable to do it....I just can't see that reason

Could they do it? Of course but that's time spent remaking items in for a single gear slot instead of creating new gear for all players.

You're going to have a hard time convincing the player base that sacrificing new gears set (not just headgear but body, legs, etc) for the sake of modifying headgear to fit Viera and Hrothgar is a good deal.

This. Furthermore, the call for Viera is why there are not female Hrothgar in Bojza.

The call for a beast like race is why we have no male Viera. Argument goes both ways. There were far more players openly asking for Viera than for a beast like race. You're probably lucky Hrothgar exists at all.

This sort of situation is why I dislike heavy fan service in games. You end up with a huge disagreement within the player base over what should be picked for the fan service, whether the fan service was done "correctly", etc. and you end up with fewer new ideas expanding gaming in general.

[Akimori]

Could they do it? Of course but that's time spent remaking items in for a single gear slot instead of creating new gear for all players.

You're going to have a hard time convincing the player base that sacrificing new gears set (not just headgear but body, legs, etc) for the sake of modifying headgear to fit Viera and Hrothgar is a good dealr.

I think you're missing the main point. The point is not really the older stuff. Its more about the newer stuff. I does not make sense to me that hrothgar and Viera can't wear the NEWER things (newer head gear, newer mog station hats, newer hairstyles (especially the newer hair styles!!), etc)

Thats what I want to know.