Elemental Spell Reform

[Vaymathias]

Fire is as life giving as water, and water brings death just as easily as fire. the same is true for all the elements, you can defend the life giving aspects of any of them, eskimo's w/o ice and fire would be extinct ...
our food w/o fire would have a larger rate of killing us do to being uncooked.
No lightning having been harnessed? No electricity no modern tech age for us to have this argument via.
Let's let these kind of arguments go.

Well then you are clearly missing the point, since there were three people sitting behind me at Starbucks who were reading over my shoulder who agreed with me. Apparently they played and didn't understand why I wanted to buy a hot coffee to spill on them.

Point being, it's great the way it is now where the character are concerned, content needs changed to conform, but that's likely going to happen with 2.0. We already know what we all agree on and disagree on.

[Klive]

Now we are getting philosophical and into semantics.

[Skies]

I only have my Thaumaturge at level... 14 was it? IT's in my signature. I do play Conjurer, however, and the last boss fight my LS actually won I was playing it

I think you also literally illustrated the reason why enfeebles why the way they do right now right there in your example about the Ixali. They're high-level mobs, that attack in a huge band, you're seriously not supposed to solo that stuff, but if Enfeebles were in fact as powerful as you want them to be they'd be easily soloable as a Thaumaturge.

Although speaking of it, have you tried the strategy of 'sleepga the lot, pick them off one by one with Thunder'?

Also- WHY, in heaven's name, needs the 'spells that carry the Ancient Magic spell names' invariably be DD? Why can't they be powerful support spells? Is that a legacy term issue? Because that that's pretty silly and, sincerely, a choice left to style alone, you can't say that any of the three short of Burst is not working their potential.

[Jinrya-Geki]

I only have my Thaumaturge at level... 14 was it? IT's in my signature. I do play Conjurer, however, and the last boss fight my LS actually won I was playing it

I think you also literally illustrated the reason why enfeebles why the way they do right now right there in your example about the Ixali. They're high-level mobs, that attack in a huge band, you're seriously not supposed to solo that stuff, but if Enfeebles were in fact as powerful as you want them to be they'd be easily soloable as a Thaumaturge.

Although speaking of it, have you tried the strategy of 'sleepga the lot, pick them off one by one with Thunder'?

Also- WHY, in heaven's name, needs the 'spells that carry the Ancient Magic spell names' invariably be DD? Why can't they be powerful support spells? Is that a legacy term issue? Because that that's pretty silly and, sincerely, a choice left to style alone, you can't say that any of the three short of Burst is not working their potential.

That's my point about the enfeebles, when it matters it doesn't work. Picking off an Ixali one at a time is not a good idea. One you'll waste MP really quickly, two when they wake up you'll probably be inclined to try a dark seal sleepga, which will still not help it last longer. They will wake up at once again and you'll probably have extremely low MP and die. And you can't Sleepga as Thm so you can't afford to fight more than one at a time.

Lastly, why should Ancient magic spells be purely damage dealing? Because everyone loves to throw around traditions, such as Whm having Aero. So I am throwing this into the mix that Ancient magic spells have always be the highest form of magic damage dealing it and should be that way. The only time I use Freeze is to reduce my agro not good damage unless you critical hit, even then it's not that great. Flare is stupid, for trash mobs only, use it against someone like coincounter or Chimera you'll probably die.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Bump, need some developer responses.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Bumpity bump.

[KoujiGeki]

Yes Ancient Magic has always been the end all huge dmg huge mp cost spells that you cant just spam all the time.

[Jinrya-Geki]

So from the silence of the developer team, I take it that there are no plans for even in 2.0 for black mage/ Thaumaturge getting spell changes. Or that a spell reform is even being considered, because splitting the elements was not a good idea.

Just say there are no currents plans even in 2.0 so I can quit now. I am tired of using 1 spell for everything. If this isn't gonna change then I might as well quit.

[Vaymathias]

So your going to quit because the Devs are not bowing down to you and kissing your feet? Since you're a Lalafell it might be a little difficult, especially if one of them are a Roegadyn, he'll have to lay on his stomach, and he'd be able to fit your entire leg into his mouth.

If that's your attitude, then quit. Whether the change it or not, doesn't matter, it's a game, it can be justified in many ways, and it's the content that's important relative to the set up.

[Jinrya-Geki]

So your going to quit because the Devs are not bowing down to you and kissing your feet? Since you're a Lalafell it might be a little difficult, especially if one of them are a Roegadyn, he'll have to lay on his stomach, and he'd be able to fit your entire leg into his mouth.

If that's your attitude, then quit. Whether the change it or not, doesn't matter, it's a game, it can be justified in many ways, and it's the content that's important relative to the set up.

I am not happy following a carrot on a stick. Being told to wait till 2.0 to find out. I'd rather know now than waste more time playing a game that won't improve in on the few aspects that I want to enjoy.

I don't understand how anyone who enjoys being a DD caster can be satisfied with what we have now. It's unacceptable. People are amazed by how much damage black mage can do. Yeah it's true it's high, but look at the big picture. We are fighting mobs that don't have a large defense against thunder. What happens when you through a lightning mob at black mages? Fire line is too mp consuming to be nearly as effective as Thunder line. Lolice is lol. I would like something alternative to use than thunder and be just as effective. Maybe I don't want to cast thunder all the time, maybe I want to hit the mob weak to fire and just hit that one damn target, and not get agroed by everything around it. Or cast an awesome damage avalanche size ice spell that wrecks something rather than does a useless enfeeble effect.

Those ancient magics spells are crap.

Enfeebles god damn worthless.

Gear is shitty cause it's mixed with healing/damage dealing. It should be split, not the god damn elemental wheel.

I don't want to be overpowered. I just want balance. When the spells actually matter, they don't. I want something to look forward to.

Seeing threads get developer posts like "Make Night time more scary"... seriously... that's more important than potential future of the Disciples of Magic?