Elemental Spell Reform

[Jinrya-Geki]

I believe spells should be redone again for just black mage. Black mage should have access to all elemental magic spells. Let conjurer keep access to Aero and Aerora and Stone/stonera. Hell, give them Banish and Scourge so they can have more spells as well to be comboed.

Let Black Mage have Stone/Stonra/ and Stonega Aero/Aerora/ Aeroga. Give them the water line as well. And for the love of god fix the ice line before garuda shows up lol. The only spells you can use on her with ice is Blizzard and Freeze.

Thuamuturge shouldn't be able to equip all elemtental spells to be fair, only black mage since you are giving up so much survivability options to do damage.

This Harry Potter spells crap need to end, (7 years at Hogwarts and he's still using the same 3 spells, stupify, expecto patronum, and expeleriomus). The spells should never have been split between the healer-role and the damage caster-role. Let have access to the low tiers and one to the highest tiers.

[Chardrizard]

I like harry potter

[Wevlum]

Meh I like new system it's less boring. All the other FFs you have the same spell just in every flavor. This new system each element does its own thing and whm has some oomph for when it has to down something.

EDIT; Also regarding Garuda and fixing ice spells... do you not think thau and blm has had enough glory lately without also being the Garuda OP job?

[Enfarious]

It does need to be fixed. As Cnj you can set the spells from THM anyway Cnj shouldn't be a DD job in it's self. Thm should have full elemental wheel, keep the unique effects for each element but give thm/blm full wheel, if ya want cnj/whm to have DD spells banish/banishra/banishga seriously though it's a healing class don't make it into the second best DD class in the game.

Wevlum I agree fixing spells will almost certainly give us the same old cookie cutter runs as we have for everything else, this is a flaw in scaling dmg in a sane way on mage jobs more than anything though. A BLM that can do 7k dmg is always gonna get chosen over that mnk or drg that have to build TP then land the hits of a combo to do 3k and should they miss or have a hit land from the wrong position wait again for TP. Broken spells keeping them out of the fight isn't the way to fix balance.

And if Garuda holds to prior FFs melee's will be all but useless anyway unless they have +1000 acc so fixing thm/blm might be for the best, they have to fix pld too, war should really fail tanking her since easily half wars hate control is in direct dmg.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Meh I like new system it's less boring. All the other FFs you have the same spell just in every flavor. This new system each element does its own thing and whm has some oomph for when it has to down something.

EDIT; Also regarding Garuda and fixing ice spells... do you not think thau and blm has had enough glory lately without also being the Garuda OP job?

It doesn't have to be overpowered, just useful in all situations.

[Theplatter]

I believe spells should be redone again for just black mage. Black mage should have access to all elemental magic spells. Let conjurer keep access to Aero and Aerora and Stone/stonera. Hell, give them Banish and Scourge so they can have more spells as well to be comboed.

Let Black Mage have Stone/Stonra/ and Stonega Aero/Aerora/ Aeroga. Give them the water line as well. And for the love of god fix the ice line before garuda shows up lol. The only spells you can use on her with ice is Blizzard and Freeze.

Thuamuturge shouldn't be able to equip all elemtental spells to be fair, only black mage since you are giving up so much survivability options to do damage.

This Harry Potter spells crap need to end, (7 years at Hogwarts and he's still using the same 3 spells, stupify, expecto patronum, and expeleriomus). The spells should never have been split between the healer-role and the damage caster-role. Let have access to the low tiers and one to the highest tiers.

I completely agree, save for giving conj/whm access to stone and aero spells; those should be thm/blm only and conj/whm should have banish/scourge (if any DD spells). I also don't like that they have unique effects on them, such as bind, stun, etc. I'd prefer to only give the AM added effect, i.e. choke, burn, drown, etc., or lower resistance to that particular element, but I'd assume they'd have to add the enfeebling-specific mage before they could make this change...

[AlaulaTheGreat]

I'd say, kill the now outdated CNJ storyline, drop aero and stone from cnj's spell list, and give us banish/banishga and scourage/scourga or some sort. You THMs can have the rest.

Only problem is that by doing that, we break the number of abilities/spells each class has... so instead of adding new stuff to THM, every other class would get something new and THM would get left overs, to maintain number of ability balance.
But as a CNJ, I'm willing to make that snack-arfice.

[Klive]

I actually enjoy the fact that my spells are not carbon copies of each other with just a different graphic. All my spells have a distinct use, a purpose, over just using the element that kill the monster the fastest. I also hated when games filled the mage's spell book with useless crap and outdated spells. All of my spells have a use and I have no fluff spells. The Black Mage core spells have always been fire, ice ,and thunder and thats what I have... I don't see a problem.

White Mages even had aero and stone before, in FFIII. So they brought back something from an old FF. It make more sense, to me, since our white mages are not 'divine' priest types. They are more elemental-druid types.

Ifrit is weak to wind, yet we are not stacking CNJs to kill him and lightning work just fine on him. I'm not really worried about my limited ice spell selection on the next primal.

[Enfarious]

I'd say, kill the now outdated CNJ storyline, drop aero and stone from cnj's spell list, and give us banish/banishga and scourage/scourga or some sort. You THMs can have the rest.

Only problem is that by doing that, we break the number of abilities/spells each class has... so instead of adding new stuff to THM, every other class would get something new and THM would get left overs, to maintain number of ability balance.
But as a CNJ, I'm willing to make that snack-arfice.

Yes^

thm/blm get the water/watera/waterga/(Flood) to finish the SE ele wheel.

And perhaps cnj/whm should be the more holy/divine caster, but even if not, light and dark were always part of the SE ele set diametrically opposed but elements none the less and they've already got Holy so it really does fit.

[kazaran]

Blm in the game is said to have control over the elements, not some elemens when you read the text.

Usually black mages were straight DD weither with over tiem spells or straight nukes. THe problem in splitting it up the way it is, is focus of the role of jobs are shifted. As the new engien rolls out, lets hoem element weakness returns. But having a WHM tossing out DD spells while the focus of buff and cure is needed can e an issue, or wasted spell space. THey can have variants, but variants that inhance the role, weither it returns hp mp or debuffs the enemy.

THey should have light based magic, and new forms of it. To level early on having a little doesn't hurt but if you choose to shift to whm, it should be a whm with white magic base, and potent enough to help in fights it would benifit.