Player Purchase Priorty

[Penthea]

Even when autodemo was running, many people refused to move off the high pop NA servers to low pop NA servers.

I don't really blame them.

For some people it's not worth the cost of a transfer to only get a bit of a better chance to get a house while also leaving a fc behind, or even friends too if the move is to a different data centre. Increasing your odds by a small amount in exchange for leaving your buddies behind isn't what I consider a good trade. And it seems many others don't either.

If housing is a high priority then NA players need to consider moving to a low pop NA server when autodemo resumes. Otherwise housing is not a priority for them.

I don't agree with the sentiment that "if you don't transfer then you clearly don't want a house enough" because saying that conveniently ignores that many things keep players in the game and the servers they're on.

I didn't transfer when I was looking for a house not because I didn't want a house enough, but because I liked my fc enough to stay on Moogle. If I didn't want a house enough I would have given up on getting one after a short time. It took me over a year to get my house.

Also transferring costs real money. I think it's ridiculous that anyone expects players to pay additional real money to only MAYBE get access to certain content, especially when we already pay a sub.

[Seddrinth]

I don't agree with the sentiment that "if you don't transfer then you clearly don't want a house enough" because saying that conveniently ignores that many things keep players in the game and the servers they're on.

I didn't transfer when I was looking for a house not because I didn't want a house enough, but because I liked my fc enough to stay on Moogle. If I didn't want a house enough I would have given up on getting one after a short time. It took me over a year to get my house.

You prioritized your fc over increased possibility to obtain housing. Some players have left their fcs and transferred worlds just for housing. So different players have different priority when it comes to housing.

[Penthea]

You prioritized your fc over increased possibility to obtain housing. Some players have left their fcs and transferred worlds just for housing. So different players have different priority when it comes to housing.

I know. My point is that just because I didn't transfer to get a house doesn't mean housing wasn't something I really badly wanted. Which is something many people here tend to say. It seems very black and white for some. When the reality is that is rarely the case.

[Jojoya]

You prioritized your fc over increased possibility to obtain housing. Some players have left their fcs and transferred worlds just for housing. So different players have different priority when it comes to housing.

Players in other MMOs with housing aren't forced into choose one or the other.

Why are we?

[Greyhawk]

Players in other MMOs with housing aren't forced into choose one or the other.

Why are we?

Well, one thing is this isn't other MMOs, FFXIV stands on its own two feet. It's handled differently and we really may have a cultural difference of opinion when it comes to the management of this game.

Another thing is SE has always had their stance on housing as this - they want it to not be available to every player because it's considered an elite commodity.

Not defending them on this, because I think housing should be available to everyone in an MMO that has it, but they haven't ever changed their stance on it and I don't think they will in the near future. It is a funky, broken system. People with multiple plots aren't doing us any favors in that aspect either, and SE hasn't fixed that yet to date as well. That leads us to believe nothing really will change on this, so it's unfortunately 'eat or be eaten'.

[Jojoya]

Another thing is SE has always had their stance on housing as this - they want it to not be available to every player because it's considered an elite commodity.

Still waiting for a link to an official source on this idea that players keep spreading but no one seems to be able to back up.

[Calixis]

Still waiting for a link to an official source on this idea that players keep spreading but no one seems to be able to back up.

Most I've been able to see akin to that is SE originally planning for Housing to be an FC only thing and then backpeddling.

What's more likely is that SE do want to fix this. Having threads upon threads of complaints, coupled with loud social media cries, is definitely not somebody a PR manager wants to be seeing. The problem however is probably their horribly outdated code which we know causes all sorts of problems. But they've said this last wave was just a put-on whilst they move housing over to dedicated servers, which does more than imply they're going to be taking measures to help rectify this. I mean LotRO has an almost identical housing system to FFXIV in every way and even at it's peak never really struggled with opening up new wards (and continues to do so).

Actually now that I think about how similar LotRO's housing is I'm getting an awkward feeling we might see Premium Wards for real-world £££ some time in the future.

[Penthea]

Not defending them on this, because I think housing should be available to everyone in an MMO that has it, but they haven't ever changed their stance on it

Uhh...housing was only for fcs at first, and the prices have been cut down to be far more affordable. They certainly have changed their stance on who can get a house.

What they haven't changed their stance on is the ward system being the only way to access housing.

Another thing is SE has always had their stance on housing as this - they want it to not be available to every player because it's considered an elite commodity.

Still waiting for a link to an official source on this idea that players keep spreading but no one seems to be able to back up.

Yeap, so am I.

[Greyhawk]

Uhh...housing was only for fcs at first, and the prices have been cut down to be far more affordable. They certainly have changed their stance on who can get a house.

What they haven't changed their stance on is the ward system being the only way to access housing.





Yeap, so am I.

FFS do the math, you don't even need a link to an article to figure this out.

There are 68 servers for the entire game.
Four housing zones with 24 wards = 96 wards, * 60 plots per ward = 5,760.
5,760 housing plots * 68 servers = 391,680.
There are over 20 MILLION player accounts in FFXIV. 20,000,000.

4 zones * 24 wards * 60 plots * 68 servers = 391,680. Again, look at that number vs. player population.

That's 1.96% of the population with access to housing plots. This does not include apartments.

If you want that figure, I'll do the math for you on it so you can continue being lazy in figuring out that 1.96% of the game population world-wide has access to housing plots. If that isn't taking a privileged stance on housing, I don't know what else to do to convince you.

They have let the problem swelter to an unmanageable number of players out of housing, and have let people purchase multiple *MULTIPLE* housing plots for themselves. They continue to own these plots of land with no recourse of action taken against them.

I will also go and try to find the article I had read years ago where SE said it was a privilege to own a home in this game. However, I think the math does the talking related to duration of how long this has been going on.

*EDITED* my server count was off, added what I missed. It still sucks regardless for the players.