Thread: Dancer 6.0 Speculation

Since Dancer has the lowest personal damage it should be reworked a bit just like how machinist or monk.

- rng on main skills should vanish so no more 50% to get a combo skill (which dmg is low as it is even if it procs) yet leave rng on the feather aspect
- flourish should either give at the start 4feathers or work like RDM accelerate allowing to get 1 feather for next 4attacks
- curing waltz potency up/CD timer down since such low potency for such a long CD is just bad
- add bleed dot to one of the combo skills or to sabre dance
- adding a single target esprit skill with high potency would be nice
- adding raise/revive/phoenix dance for the cost of 100esprit for a single target/partner or a small 5yrd zone revive (you exchange dps for support)
- lowering closed position skill level from 50 to 20/30 since its a core skill as a dancer and it would help lower level players to get a bit more dmg in old dungeons
- fan3 is a 100% proc after each feather
- sabre dance (esprit skills) cut from GCD and placed as oGCD so it doesnt choke rotations

- Imrprovisation skill needs more rewok, like after using it you are bound to the spot like always but you create something like a "stage". Like before, the more people are around you yo gain more espirt, but it would also adds feathers (4feather for full skill cycle). As for everyone on the stage they get buffed with "dmg up and healing potency up" so it would kinda make people want to be on the stage to buff themself but also help you gain resources in the process.

Other option for improvisation would be like how the name tells, you stand in a place like before gaining esprit but you are pressing dance moves in order in the 16sec gap to increase stacks (up to 8moves) on your finishing move. Kinda for all correctly pressed moves in the 16sec gap you get a 3k potency attack as finisher, each mistake or moveing would cancel the skill up and get you a 500-600pot as a fail prize.

Dancer over the whole expansion was not shown any love/buffs/changes/fixes/reworks since the class needs to get close for aoe skills its more of a risk one compared to mch and bard who can spam from far away, yet its suffering from lowest dmg syndrome.

Originally Posted by Nepthys

Since Dancer has the lowest personal damage it should be reworked a bit just like how machinist or monk.

- rng on main skills should vanish so no more 50% to get a combo skill (which dmg is low as it is even if it procs) yet leave rng on the feather aspect
- flourish should either give at the start 4feathers or work like RDM accelerate allowing to get 1 feather for next 4attacks
- curing waltz potency up/CD timer down since such low potency for such a long CD is just bad
- add bleed dot to one of the combo skills or to sabre dance
- adding a single target esprit skill with high potency would be nice
- adding raise/revive/phoenix dance for the cost of 100esprit for a single target/partner or a small 5yrd zone revive (you exchange dps for support)
- lowering closed position skill level from 50 to 20/30 since its a core skill as a dancer and it would help lower level players to get a bit more dmg in old dungeons
- fan3 is a 100% proc after each feather
- sabre dance (esprit skills) cut from GCD and placed as oGCD so it doesnt choke rotations

- Imrprovisation skill needs more rewok, like after using it you are bound to the spot like always but you create something like a "stage". Like before, the more people are around you yo gain more espirt, but it would also adds feathers (4feather for full skill cycle). As for everyone on the stage they get buffed with "dmg up and healing potency up" so it would kinda make people want to be on the stage to buff themself but also help you gain resources in the process.

Other option for improvisation would be like how the name tells, you stand in a place like before gaining esprit but you are pressing dance moves in order in the 16sec gap to increase stacks (up to 8moves) on your finishing move. Kinda for all correctly pressed moves in the 16sec gap you get a 3k potency attack as finisher, each mistake or moveing would cancel the skill up and get you a 500-600pot as a fail prize.

Dancer over the whole expansion was not shown any love/buffs/changes/fixes/reworks since the class needs to get close for aoe skills its more of a risk one compared to mch and bard who can spam from far away, yet its suffering from lowest dmg syndrome.

I've taken a decently clean run on e5s last tier and did some calculations.
I've only taken into account the RNG and Sabre Dance changes because those were the most specific ones with clear potencies attached. So no Flourish change, added bleed or Impro change taken into account.
It was roughly a 20% pDPS buff which is more than the gap between DNC and BLM at any given percentile and put my 80% run on par with a BLM, the strongest dps in e5s, playing at 95%. I've been specifically taking BLM to emphasize the insane buff this would mean because e5s was a very BLM-friendly fight, meaning it was an almost perfect scenario for it and can only get worse in pretty much every other fight.

That was not taking into account further buffs from Flourish, a dot added for free and Impro change, mind you.
Nor how much more valuable additional heal support or the option to ress for a dps loss is and how attractive it would make DNC compared to the other physical ranged.

I switched to Dancer a few weeks ago, and from my own playtesting, I'd mainly like to see four things.

1. Removing cooldowns from Fan Dance abilities if possible. Having to deal with that cooldown while trying to manage my GCD at the same time is kinda clunky.
2. Having Standard and Technical Step replace the AoE combo on usage. Just a QoL change that'd make AoE'ing a lot more convenient for controller players.
3. Having Saber Dance be oGCD, or remain on GCD, but carry a DoT effect for a touch of added complexity.
4. Improvisation actually made usable outside of fringe cases. Maybe a per player chance of a feather proc every tick?

Originally Posted by Rongway

I don't understand. In what way does it interfere with your GCD? Are you trying to

GCD > Fan Dance I/II > Fan Dance I/II

?? You're not meant to. You should only

GCD > Fan Dance I/II > Fan Dance III
or GCD > Fan Dance III > Fan Dance I/II



You generate so much Esprit during a Technical window that you might use it three or four times. If you want it to be oGCD then its potency needs to be reduced by about 300 to account for not replacing any GCDs. If you want to make it a DoT, it'll get overwritten multiple times during a Technical window.

I play on controller, so from my experience, it's been fairly clunky trying to use Fan Dance procs, then immediately switch to using GCD, then back to using more procs, then back to using the GCD, all within the space of around 4-5 seconds, all while trying to make sure I don't let my dances drift, that my buffs are up, whether or not to use Esprit, AND doing mechanics, all at the same time.

For me, it usually ends up as Fan Dance I>Fan Dance III>ohnomyGCDslippedismyEspritat80doIhaveFlourishuparemydancesoffCD, etc.

Everything else is absolutely smooth sailing, but I've found the Fan Dance cooldowns can make the burst windows awkward and clunky.

I dunno if they'll improve this with a trait, but the only thing that makes me prefer BRD or MCH over DNC right now is the fact that DNC got to go through 2 layers of RNG to get their Feathers... Add a 3rd layer if you take in consideration Fan Dance 2.

To me this leads to a rather inflexible playstyle regarding feather management... Because as soon as you get 3 feathers, you gotta hoard them for the TS phase, because you wouldn't wanna risk these layers of RNG not allowing you to enter in the burst phase with 3 or 4 feathers.

Originally Posted by Raikai

I dunno if they'll improve this with a trait, but the only thing that makes me prefer BRD or MCH over DNC right now is the fact that DNC got to go through 2 layers of RNG to get their Feathers... Add a 3rd layer if you take in consideration Fan Dance 2.

To me this leads to a rather inflexible playstyle regarding feather management... Because as soon as you get 3 feathers, you gotta hoard them for the TS phase, because you wouldn't wanna risk these layers of RNG not allowing you to enter in the burst phase with 3 or 4 feathers.

There's really nothing to improve with it since you're highly likely to get them even with the layers. If you have a ninja in your party you can even use them during the in-between trick attack phases since floursh also comes off CD by that time. Plus you don't really gain much by using the feathers outside of burst windows anyways so the RNG isn't really a problem. You have 120s to get back your feathers anyways XD.