Thread: Dancer 6.0 Speculation

Originally Posted by Jirah

....I feel your drawing straws on most of this, i mean maximixing curing on party? DNC isnt a healer. But ill give you the Optimizing part if abit token as ive never optimized but also never really had issues with the content DPS wise but i dont think thats dancer fault.

Working in TEA ATM, we actually have dps stack properly after alpha and beta (and trine obviously ) to save a gcd for the whm. Essentially a 900 extra potency

Also VERY useful at the end of p3 when we move from CC to BJ.

It isn't a healer. But it is a very appreciable heal when you can exploit it. Especially with such a low CD.

Oh, also another thing that I would really appreciate was if Standard Step became an OGCD skill... At least would be - something - to weave in during the boring feather downtime parts, that happens after the TS phases when you're not lucky enough to get 3 feathers ASAP.

Dancer needs some changes like:

- improvisation is just baaad, almost never a spot to use it, cant move, loads slow, requires a lot of teamates near us. Could be a self buff or add new feature of loading feathers
- rngs procs needs to go up or at least make it so that next round of the skill will increase the rng procentage so if we fail to get a proc/feather next skill will have increased by 10-15% chance to get it and so on till 100%
- potencies needs to go up, at least on the feathers (like fan3) that are covered in huge pile of RNG, so if we are lucky and get it then be worth it.
- sabre dance being just a esprit dump is just bad...we need more skills we can use our esprit on:
* they should add a single target attack with potency of 800-850 that costs 50esprit
* if our damage is the lowest from all classes then why not give a revive skill that costs 100esprit, be it partner revive or a close proximity group revive...kinda we sacrafice a lot of dps for support.
* regen skill to party or partner only
- why not get bleading dot chance from bloodshower
-curring walts increase potency to 600 or lowe CD.

RNGs are the nasty pile since there are times that over 5-10x doing 1-2-3-4 you wont get a feather its frustrating.

Originally Posted by Nepthys

Dancer needs some changes like:

- improvisation is just baaad, almost never a spot to use it, cant move, loads slow, requires a lot of teamates near us. Could be a self buff or add new feature of loading feathers
- rngs procs needs to go up or at least make it so that next round of the skill will increase the rng procentage so if we fail to get a proc/feather next skill will have increased by 10-15% chance to get it and so on till 100%
- potencies needs to go up, at least on the feathers (like fan3) that are covered in huge pile of RNG, so if we are lucky and get it then be worth it.
- sabre dance being just a esprit dump is just bad...we need more skills we can use our esprit on:
* they should add a single target attack with potency of 800-850 that costs 50esprit
* if our damage is the lowest from all classes then why not give a revive skill that costs 100esprit, be it partner revive or a close proximity group revive...kinda we sacrafice a lot of dps for support.
* regen skill to party or partner only
- why not get bleading dot chance from bloodshower
-curring walts increase potency to 600 or lowe CD.

RNGs are the nasty pile since there are times that over 5-10x doing 1-2-3-4 you wont get a feather its frustrating.

Me likes allot. I agree with you. I main summoner but dancer is my second go to and I would like curing waltz to have its cooldown lowered significantly. Red mage heals for allot more than we do and they can spam it. We can only use it once every 60 seconds. Kinda ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Jirah

We dont need non casters getting reses, just feels obtuse abd the logic makes no sense since SMN has a res being highest DPS, not every job needs a dot, the rest i half agree on due to being poorly explained on the "how" DNC needs to be more fun just feels very simple

Yes Summoner should lose raise since it has such high dps I agree, RDM has lower potency compared to SMN becouse they have both dual cast and raise. If a Dancer can heal others then why not have raise of its own as a support class and it would explain why its dmg is the lowest from all other classes, at least it would be the first range class that can revive while sacraficing a lot of dps (not jolt-varrise in 3sec), since getting esprit is slow and its heaviliy depending of partner performance.

As for fun, adding 1-2skills wouldnt break the class, but it would lower the frustration on the player becouse they cant proc or get a feather, and even if they do finally get it it doesnt proc fan3. The feeling that even if you did your rotations perfectly with 100% proc, fan3s, sabre dances you still are struggling in the dps metter becouse skill potencies are so low compared to other dps classes, which with 2-3skills out dps you instantly since potencies are higher.

So for me even if they dont want to rework the class/ make some changes, then at least they should add WAY more potencies buffs becouse of all those pilles of rngs on all skills, so if it finally procs would make it at least worth it.

Improvisation should be like meditation, a self buff of gaining esprit and feathers without the need for anyone to be near us. Flourish at other hand besides the skill procs should either fill our feathers instantly to 4 (as a part of opener) or make it that each of the skill procs grants 100% feather, so after 4skills we gain 4feathers.

I've been playing DNC since I've swapped from healer in my static. I do love the job fantasy (almost wished what it could have been healer wise), though there's room for improvement.

Esprit as it stands has one use and that's for Saber Dance. There should be more options and I do think they'll add a ST version as well (WHM will probably get one too for Misery).

Some additional things they could do to make DNC feel more "support" is to make use of the Esprit meter since sometimes you can get a lot of it. On top of the obvious GCD spenders, I think we could also spare for some OGCD ones.

1. Invigorating Waltz. AoE or small AoE regen perhaps. 10-20 Esprit. 60s CD.

2. Enfeebling Tango. A DoT field (15s) centered around the DNC. 20 Esprit. 30s CD.

That's about it I can think of for now for spenders. I feel that they wouldn't add too many anyway, at least in 1 xpac. I will say that Esprit might need to be adjusted to make some of these possible or realistic.

As for improving or adding general non-esprit abilities, I have a couple.

1. Refreshing Samba. AoE cleanse. (This one might be too much since SCH had its removed). 120s CD.

2. Improvisation (Revised). I have two ideas. How it is now kinda sucks is only really useful in fights with actual downtime.

- a. AoE increased healing (both OGCD and GCD kinda like Asylum for 15s). 180s CD.

- b. Temporarily extends DNC partner to an additional DPS for 30s. 180s CD.

I don't think they'll really change up DNC too much tbh, since there are other jobs that desperately need more love. I think they're satisfied with the current state of it.