Simple Fix to PLD

[fusional]

Even if it held hate as well as WAR, people would prefer WAR tank due to the massive difference in DPS. Nothing gets fixed.

war holds enmity better in large part *because* of the dps it is capable of. (collusion is pretty helpful, too.) however, that said- the difference in damage output between warrior and paladin in a 2 minute kill is only about 2-3k, assuming the paladin isn't awful. if your dps can't make up that damage, you have bigger problems than your tank.

and what does reducing the damage paladin takes do to fix that, exactly?

But, do you not agree that given an enmity gap PLD should get something else in return? Like taking less damage? There's no reason these tank types need to have an identical methodology, which is what I feel like you're missing.

If that makes Warrior your preferred tank until the end of time that's fine, but as it stands PLD has nothing to offer. This idea at least makes it situational.

it absolutely should, but that would still leave paladin on the sidelines until something is introduced that hits harder and is much more dangerous.

however, people are primarily complaining that paladin isn't wanted over warrior for anything *right now*, and the reduced damage fix won't change that.

[NoctisUmbra]

war holds enmity better in large part *because* of the dps it is capable of. (collusion is pretty helpful, too.) however, that said- the difference in damage output between warrior and paladin in a 2 minute kill is only about 2-3k, assuming the paladin isn't awful. if your dps can't make up that damage, you have bigger problems than your tank.

and what does reducing the damage paladin takes do to fix that, exactly?

Let me know when you've got more to talk about than the 2 minute Miser's Mistress fight.

[fusional]

Let me know when you've got more to talk about than the 2 minute Miser's Mistress fight.

why, because you still haven't done it? and because i did it more than a month ago? you should be extraordinarily careful about going down this route, because i don't think you'll enjoy the results.

let me just nip it in the bud. i have the experience, you don't. sooooo...

let me know when you have anything to talk about at all.

[NoctisUmbra]

why, because you still haven't done it? and because i did it more than a month ago? you should be extraordinarily careful about going down this route, because i don't think you'll enjoy the results.

let me just nip it in the bud. i have the experience, you don't. sooooo...

let me know when you have anything to talk about at all.

Uhm... I did an AV run last night. You can assume what you like though. Just answer me one thing, how many WHMs do you guys take to MM on your 2 minute kills Mr. Self-Righteous?

[Dzian]

and what does reducing the damage paladin takes do to fix that, exactly?.

It gives your average "1x war 2x whm 5x dd" group the option to go "1x pld 1x whm 6x dd"

and by average i mean a typical set up spread across most content not one specific instance

[Deathgiver]

gives your average "1xwar 2xwhm 5xdd" group the option to go "1x pld 1x whm 6xdd"

and by average i mean a typical set up spread across most content not one specific instance

Problem is, atm there is nothing that actually requires 2 whm. Obviously can't eliminate whm entirely, so as long as war tank can do the set up with 1 whm no reason to go pld.