Simple Fix to PLD

[stanleyyoung]

yeah thats what exactly happen in xi pld became useless once monk hp pool became so high and nin just being able to almost evade everything and even dnc could eva tank. pld in xi had just about no dd capability so as the caps got higher it was in less demand.just hope gla/pld in this doesn't become useless.

[Brannigan]

They also gave that same Weaponskill an enmity bonus. Besides that they made a major buff to the enmity bonus of Flat Blade. In fact with all the bonuses going around, most of PLD's enmity comes from bonuses and abilities and not damage. Also, PLD does in fact put out laughable damage, yet can generate enough enmity to tank well. People are vastly underestimating PLD's enmity generation after the hotfixes it received. However, it still has trouble mitigating damage.

I don't think paladin has many problems with enmity but damage is high utility that you can't ignore. They didn't lower Spirits Within's damage so that was a deliberate move to increase damage output. They just need to do that with a few more things to make sure paladin doesn't do like a third of a warrior's damage.

[Aion]

The point is, a PLD tank with a single WHM should feel natural and safe, whereas a WAR tank with a single WHM should continue to be a challenge.

THIS x 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[NoctisUmbra]

I don't think paladin has many problems with enmity but damage is high utility that you can't ignore. They didn't lower Spirits Within's damage so that was a deliberate move to increase damage output. They just need to do that with a few more things to make sure paladin doesn't do like a third of a warrior's damage.

Again it's not a problem if PLD + 1 WHM works naturally fine. That's 1 extra DD slot which more than makes up for the difference in damage between a a WAR and a PLD. If people bring a WAR with a WHM, sure they get even better DPS but at greater risk. It's basically a speedrun setup. I'd be fine if PLD was the default tank and everyone looked to WAR for speedrun tanking. It'd actually make sense. Right now, everyone looks to WAR for tanking. Period. Rightfully so.

If PLD had a significant boost to DPS, retained it's damage mitigation utility as well as healing utility, you're looking at a perfect, well rounded job. No weakness. Not gonna happen, and doesn't make sense as far as jobs go.

[Klive]

I play healer 90% of the time and as such I love when a, well played, paladin is in the group. Tanking or not, a paladin bring a lot of ability that greatly increases a party's survivability.

Just a few things I've seen a great paladin do, when not tanking.
-Time his rampart with the warrior;s rampart making rampart up 100% of the fight.
-Use enmity WS with collusion, granting extra enmity to the warrior.
-Throw cover on the tank when the tank had low hp, get a block, use spirits, and help heal the tank.
-Covering melee so he can start is front combo line,
-With single WHM run the tank died. The paladin took threat, used Hallowed ground, tanked while raising the dead tank. Then took over tanking.
-Take over healing when the WHM died. No really! Everyone gets better mana regen when in passive mode. He healed until the bard could get the WHM back up.

A well played paladin is fantastic and can replace the need for a second WHM. I love running with paladins, sadly few groups let them. Good paladins stop wipes from happening and have the tools to do it.

[XStruckX]

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[buritoslicer]

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[NoctisUmbra]

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[Majidah]

The point is, a PLD tank with a single WHM should feel natural and safe, whereas a WAR tank with a single WHM should continue to be a challenge.

Take a war's ability to normally tank away and you make all parties dependant on one of the least played jobs in the game.

I really don't miss sitting out in jeuno waiting for a tank to log on or having to disband because he had to leave.

[Stufoo]

If PLD had a significant boost to DPS, retained it's damage mitigation utility as well as healing utility, you're looking at a perfect, well rounded job. No weakness. Not gonna happen, and doesn't make sense as far as jobs go.

If paladin had a boost to damage you could play it outside of dungeons as well in solo/lowman/etc without being completely worthless and not having to just play another job (warrior), and this goes for gladiator too, it's a sword problem. Trying to fix paladin to put it into these shitty dungeons is not the way to go, you're just putting terribly conceived bandaids on it, and you'll have to do so every time there's a new form of content. This isn't to say it should ever get area damage abilities, or out-damage warriors, but it has to fill the tank slot with some form of comparable output to ever be worth anything. This isn't XI.

How do you consider warrior not a perfectly well rounded job? It has more mitigation tools than paladin and their heals are better outside of bosses without fear of being interrupted, and it kills things in the process instead of having casting time, and it has no MP worries. Warrior has no weakness and can solo entire strongholds. How's that for making sense of jobs?

Oh wait, it's "not going to happen"