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    I know a good number of PLDs who were once on the DEX bandwagon, but have now come to their senses and switched over. To each his own I suppose.

    Although from your analogy of block rate to DEX being like attack to STR, as well as other statements scattered throughout your post its safe to say you're not familiar with what detailed testing we already have available as far as stats and attribute points go. You may enjoy your old fashioned testing, but there are many reasons to parse such testing; a larger trial count being a primary one.

    Now you can enjoy your delusion that PLD is perfectly balanced and worthwhile and that pretty much nobody but you knows how to play it right/well... but the rest of us who know the nitty gritty of many of the quantitative details behind this game can hold our discussion.

    Also, no idea how you read my OP and came to the conclusion that it was another QQ thread, but oh well lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    I know a good number of PLDs who were once on the DEX bandwagon, but have now come to their senses and switched over. To each his own I suppose.

    Although from your analogy of block rate to DEX being like attack to STR, as well as other statements scattered throughout your post its safe to say you're not familiar with what detailed testing we already have available as far as stats and attribute points go. You may enjoy your old fashioned testing, but there are many reasons to parse such testing; a larger trial count being a primary one.

    Now you can enjoy your delusion that PLD is perfectly balanced and worthwhile and that pretty much nobody but you knows how to play it right/well... but the rest of us who know the nitty gritty of many of the quantitative details behind this game can hold our discussion.

    Also, no idea how you read my OP and came to the conclusion that it was another QQ thread, but oh well lol.
    I wanna see this vid with all these blocks this pld is doing vs bosses w/o skills. Please post parse or video.

    @ the person who says you don't have to hold back with war tank is bs lol.

    NoctisUmbra, Here are a few changes i think they need to make and i also think pld is fighting vs this crappy dlvl/system mechanics more than any other job/class in the game also.

    1. Spirits combo needs to do dmg base on enmity and lock the dmg at an 500-700 dmg cap.

    2. Block rate this needs to be fixed. Shield is an paper weight.

    3. Something needs to be done about magic dmg. Let shield block all attacks even magic.

    4 This goes for all classes the traits with stats attached to them need to be Tweaked so classes stand out from each other, every class in xi had traits that made them stand out from other classes, the bonuses we have from traits do jack shit to make the classes stand out except the ones that enhance skills. Like in xi a naked pld could have something like 200 def with nothing on, or people know drgs was one of the only classes who didn't really need to stack acc or DRK had stupid high attack or RDM cast spells the fastest. what we have now is crappy triats with low stat modifiers and such.

    5. many may not agree but i think some of Gla Tanking skills need to be locked to its class only like Rampart. I honestly feel like War should be tanking with pure dmg and fewer hate gaining skills, not with pure dmg and hp gaining skills and hate skills and dmg reduction skills makes no sense. I feel war has the same options as pld but better. would love if Se made Sent GLA only to kick that crutch from all most of the players in the game. So pld should be lower hp dmg reduction and healing. War should be Few hate gaining skill with hate through dmg and higher hp. Currently WAR does everything a pld does but better, that is taking less dmg dealing more dmg and hell i think it prob heals it self better with crts lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    I wanna see this vid with all these blocks this pld is doing vs bosses w/o skills. Please post parse or video.
    I never made such a claim. I'm saying DEX barely does anything to block rate, and to notice any worthwhile difference you need to stack massive amounts of it. Even then it doesn't compare to the number of blocks you'll be getting through skills, and thus there are better things to stack given the choice. Again, to each his own.

    This thread is not about the discussion of block rates. It is about the clear inferiority of PLD as a tank in comparison to WAR, and how hased on design philosophy and some applied logic the only way to fix this is by making it viable to bring 1 less WHM to any party that is using a PLD tank as opposed to a WAR tank. My proposition to satisfy that condition was a global % based damage reduction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    I never made such a claim. I'm saying DEX barely does anything to block rate, and to notice any worthwhile difference you need to stack massive amounts of it. Even then it doesn't compare to the number of blocks you'll be getting through skills, and thus there are better things to stack given the choice. Again, to each his own.

    This thread is not about the discussion of block rates. It is about the clear inferiority of PLD as a tank in comparison to WAR, and how hased on design philosophy and some applied logic the only way to fix this is by making it viable to bring 1 less WHM to any party that is using a PLD tank as opposed to a WAR tank. My proposition to satisfy that condition was a global % based damage reduction.
    My bad noct that was not directed @ you also re read my comment. I should have stated that.
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