Simple Fix to PLD

[NoctisUmbra]

No I wasn't suggesting players wear more DEF, I was suggesting that PLD already has higher DEF than Leather and cloth wearers, thus already giving it the 10-20% increase in damage reduction you are requesting.

OK, apparently you don't understand that 100-200 more Defense does not equate to 10-20% more damage mitigation. Not even for physical attacks, which is all that Defense effects, when at a negative dLv not to mention that it does nothing for magic-based attacks which matter much more.

Even PLD mains have stopped tanking on PLD and instead use WAR. Seriously, what game are you playing Mog?

[DoctorMog]

OK, apparently you don't understand that 100-200 more Defense does not equate to 10-20% more damage mitigation. Not even for physical attacks, which is all that Defense effects, when at a negative dLv not to mention that it does nothing for magic-based attacks which matter much more.

Take a hit from Chimera on your PLD and then on your DRG. (or for added fun, your BLM

Let me know your results.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

[NoctisUmbra]

Take a hit from Chimera on your PLD and then on your DRG. (or for added fun, your BLM

Let me know your results.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

Eat a breath/voice from Chimera on PLD and then on DRG.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

[DoctorMog]

Eat a breath/voice from Chimera on PLD and then on DRG.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

I'm sorry, when did we switch to magic resistance? I recall the conversation to be on physical defense.

Anyway...

If your entire basis for PLD needing a buff is magic resistance, then you should have said that.

Everywhere else, PLD is a better, and more versatile tank.

WAR is a better DPS/Tank hybrid.

[Firon]

I'm sorry, when did we switch to magic resistance? I recall the conversation to be on physical defense.

Anyway...

If your entire basis for PLD needing a buff is magic resistance, then you should have said that.

DEF is still useless tho If you think def matters i dare you to go aggro an lvl 70 mob and see how far your def takes you. Dlvl is the onlything that matter in this game when it comes to DEF/Magic def.

[NoctisUmbra]

I'm sorry, when did we switch to magic resistance? I recall the conversation to be on physical defense.

Anyway...

If your entire basis for PLD needing a buff is magic resistance, then you should have said that.

Please read.

I have been saying global damage mitigation from the beginning. I even liken my request to the effect of Sentinel: %-based damage mitigation. This reduces incoming damage, be it physical or magical, by a set % regardless of dLv and/or any other factors.

[Taggerung5]

For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

Get more enmity.

It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!

[Sasagawa]

For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

Get more enmity.

It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!

HAHA Love it

they really need to make provoke and taunt PLD only abilities and also ramp up emnity on those skills.

Also the idea someone posted about Acc builds is very good as well Fast Blade >> Flat Blade is great but crap if it misses :P.

[NoctisUmbra]

For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

Get more enmity.

It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!

If PLD held better hate than WAR, it wouldn't matter much the method in which it did. However, even in the case of enmity that is far from the case. If a PLD can manage to stack enough enmity to compare to a WAR in holding hate, it still takes a ton of extra melds and better gear overall and ultimately pales in comparison to an average WAR because damage dealing is very valuable. It especially doesn't help when every content we get has a speed-run aspect to it.

The key point here is, the only way to get around that is decrease the damage PLD takes significantly in comparison to a WAR, and give it some more to bring to the table in content. PLD has its share of unique abilities, but content in turn is seldom designed to require using such abilities versus using a steamrolling WAR tank.

[Aceofspades]

If PLD held better hate than WAR, it wouldn't matter much the method in which it did. However, even in the case of enmity that is far from the case. If a PLD can manage to stack enough enmity to compare to a WAR in holding hate, it still takes a ton of extra melds and better gear overall and ultimately pales in comparison to an average WAR because damage dealing is very valuable. It especially doesn't help when every content we get has a speed-run aspect to it.

The key point here is, the only way to get around that is decrease the damage PLD takes significantly in comparison to a WAR, and give it some more to bring to the table in content. PLD has its share of unique abilities, but content in turn is seldom designed to require using such abilities versus using a steamrolling WAR tank.

I agree to an extent, no one can tell me WAR needs a healer less then that of a pld, just not true in anycase, and IF you buffed your WARs def , vit , hp , and parry rate to increase survivability you are seriously decreasing the main reason people use war as a tank, its awsome dps. Is there a middle ground? yes , ofcourse there is, but to try to balance the dps and tank aspects of war in order to take as little damage as PLD and still keep up the DPS , I would say its possable but after looking into how possable it would be, with current gear and materia , it realy isnt. Someone tried to tell me all content in this game can be done with a 1 war (tank) 1 healer set up and 6 dd, umm sure it can but if your gona do that, honestly PLD dose it WAY better, and you might as well kiss the dps on your war good bye as well as that awsome hate controll and self healing. Realy hate getting into this on the forums because anymore its like talking to brick walls. If you dont want to hear that your favorite tank loses much of its tanking abilities the more you gear it up as a tank, well then you are simply not gona hear it. I have no illusions about PLD, it will never be a sufficient source of DPS to take into consideration when choosing a tank. Just like I make no mistake in KNOWING that WAR is an offensive tank and eventhough it dose great damage , can self heal to an extent , and holds hate well, WAR is heavly reliant on DD stats and outside heals/buffs to keep it alive. The more somone tries to shift the balance the more obvious this will become.

The key point HERE is that nothing NEEDs to be done to make PLD a better choice over WAR other then knowing what stats work best on pld and simply how to play the job. The ONLY thing WAR truley has over a PLD in aspects of tanking is, it is much easier to learn to tank with a WAR.