Simple Fix to PLD

[DoctorMog]

Let me spell this out;

PLD is fine, its just a harder class to effectively use.
PLD is more versatile than WAR at tanking and probably is why people are QQing. They can't figure out how to use it. I will chalk this thread up to the inability to correctly use PLD.

WAR
has higher base HP
5 threat generation skills: (Voke, collusion, weaponskill, Flash, Dps)
3 Damage reduction skills: (Rampart Sentnel and foresight)
1 heal: Second Wind
Thats it... Thats all it can do.


PLD:
lower HP, but is more versatile:
6 Threat generation sills: (Provoke, Flat blade, war drum, Flash(Aoe) Spirits Within and Heals)
5 or (7) Damage reduction skills: Aegis Boon, Divine Veil, outmaneuver, rampart, sentinel, (Hallowed Ground 15 mins) (Cover on others)
2 Sources of heals: Cure (sacred prism for aoe) and Holy Succor (also threat generators)
1 Stun: Shield Bash
Cover...
Raise...

All for what? Lower base HP?

I LoL at you sir and bid you "good day"

Maybe you are just a bad PLD.

Edit: I am in NO way saying, PLD should be your main tank in CC or AV or whatever, I am saying that it IS ALREADY a very strong class, people just don't know how to play. It doesn't need a "buff" it needs you to "Learn2play" before suggesting revisions to already well balanced features.

[NoctisUmbra]

PLD is fine, its just a harder class to effectively use.
PLD is more versatile than WAR at tanking and probably is why people are QQing. They can't figure out how to use it.

WAR
has higher base HP
5 threat generation skills: (Voke, collusion, weaponskill, Flash, Dps)
3 Damage reduction skills: (Rampart Sentnel and foresight)
Thats it... Thats all it can do.


PLD:
lower HP, but is more versatile:
6 Threat generation sills: (Provoke, Flat blade, war drum, Flash(Aoe) Spirits Within and Heals)
5 or (7) Damage reduction skills: Aegis Boon, Divine Veil, outmaneuver, rampart, sentinel, (Hallowed Ground 15 mins) (Cover on others)
2 Sources of heals: Cure (sacred prism for aoe) and Holy Succor (also threat generators)
1 Stun: Shield Bash
Cover...
Raise...

All for what? Lower base HP?

I LoL at you sir and bid you "good day"

Maybe you are just a bad PLD.

You... You're really making it a point to embarrass yourself today aren't you, Mog.

Please, for your own sake just cut your losses here. I'd respond to your points, but I have a feeling enough of the community understands why much of what you just said is incorrect, so I'll just leave you to your own thoughts.

I mean, you suggested that I wear more Defense as a measure of global damage mitigation. Really? Do you actually understand this game anymore?

[DoctorMog]

You... You're really making it a point to embarrass yourself today aren't you, Mog.

Please, for your own sake just cut your losses here. I'd respond to your points here, but I have a feeling enough of the community understands why much of what you just said is incorrect, so I'll just leave you to your own thoughts.

I mean, you suggested that I wear more Defense as a measure of global damage mitigation. Really? Do you actually understand this game anymore?

No I wasn't suggesting players wear more DEF, I was suggesting that PLD already has higher DEF than Leather and cloth wearers, thus already giving it the 10-20% increase in damage reduction you are requesting.

If you are comparing it to WAR, look at my post, PLD is more versatile than WAR, it can heal, it has more threat capabilities and more damage mitigation skills. Yes, they take the same damage on a swing from a boss because they both are wearing plate... And?

PLD can heal itself, others, stun, generate faster threat, etc...

Just admit you can't play PLD and leave it alone.

[NoctisUmbra]

No I wasn't suggesting players wear more DEF, I was suggesting that PLD already has higher DEF than Leather and cloth wearers, thus already giving it the 10-20% increase in damage reduction you are requesting.

OK, apparently you don't understand that 100-200 more Defense does not equate to 10-20% more damage mitigation. Not even for physical attacks, which is all that Defense effects, when at a negative dLv not to mention that it does nothing for magic-based attacks which matter much more.

Even PLD mains have stopped tanking on PLD and instead use WAR. Seriously, what game are you playing Mog?

[DoctorMog]

OK, apparently you don't understand that 100-200 more Defense does not equate to 10-20% more damage mitigation. Not even for physical attacks, which is all that Defense effects, when at a negative dLv not to mention that it does nothing for magic-based attacks which matter much more.

Take a hit from Chimera on your PLD and then on your DRG. (or for added fun, your BLM

Let me know your results.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

[NoctisUmbra]

Take a hit from Chimera on your PLD and then on your DRG. (or for added fun, your BLM

Let me know your results.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

Eat a breath/voice from Chimera on PLD and then on DRG.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

[DoctorMog]

Eat a breath/voice from Chimera on PLD and then on DRG.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

I'm sorry, when did we switch to magic resistance? I recall the conversation to be on physical defense.

Anyway...

If your entire basis for PLD needing a buff is magic resistance, then you should have said that.

Everywhere else, PLD is a better, and more versatile tank.

WAR is a better DPS/Tank hybrid.

[Taggerung5]

For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

Get more enmity.

It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!

[Sasagawa]

For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

Get more enmity.

It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!

HAHA Love it

they really need to make provoke and taunt PLD only abilities and also ramp up emnity on those skills.

Also the idea someone posted about Acc builds is very good as well Fast Blade >> Flat Blade is great but crap if it misses :P.

[NoctisUmbra]

For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

Get more enmity.

It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!

If PLD held better hate than WAR, it wouldn't matter much the method in which it did. However, even in the case of enmity that is far from the case. If a PLD can manage to stack enough enmity to compare to a WAR in holding hate, it still takes a ton of extra melds and better gear overall and ultimately pales in comparison to an average WAR because damage dealing is very valuable. It especially doesn't help when every content we get has a speed-run aspect to it.

The key point here is, the only way to get around that is decrease the damage PLD takes significantly in comparison to a WAR, and give it some more to bring to the table in content. PLD has its share of unique abilities, but content in turn is seldom designed to require using such abilities versus using a steamrolling WAR tank.