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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    I think that's a completely fair point, I just think arguing that since this doesn't 100% fix PLD it's not worth doing is a bit silly

    If PLD is designed to be a tank for real "hard" content when it shows up, so be it. But right now PLD doesn't even have that to look forward to, and I think that's a bit sad which is why this idea is a step in the right direction.

    That said...



    No bad or dumb involved here, and you don't have to insult to try and make a point . It's not like I haven't seen my share of FF endgame content. Maybe for these battles it seems "dumb," but PLD should excel at something. Not all groups kill stuff in < 2 mins. You're lucky to have fallen in with a shell who does, but that isn't everyone's experience in FFXIV.

    You're making yourself looks silly by waving an epeen around when PLD DOES have a damage mitigation problem. If you think PLD doesn't then I don't know what to tell you. You can throw around dps parse numbers all day, it doesn't change the fact that PLD can't take a hit any better than a WAR, and has reduced HP to boot.
    my point since the beginning has been very simple. if you want to fix paladin *now* so that people will use it *now*, it is an enmity problem. that isn't to say the other things shouldn't be addressed, but it is to say that if they're addressed first/primarily- the problem persists, and people will still prefer warrior tanks, and the community will still be upset.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    That's what you got out of that? Alrighty then! Good to know lol.

    That's like me saying:

    "Oh, so you do 160 DPS on Miser's Mistress and that's all that matters as an endgame example therefore you must know what you're talking about. It's not like I'm a PGL/MNK main that has hate issues on MM as well. No, you're the one who knows it all and we're dumb.

    "OMG look at how much your Howling Fist did on Miser's Mistress in your sig. Woah!"
    we use numbers as a metric for performance. it is a simple and effective way to lay the groundwork for an example. there's no ego involved. if that threatens you, it's not my problem.

    i provided examples for what monks are capable of under specific conditions, and if monks are doing less dps than that and pulling hate with a warrior tank- it's the tank's fault.

    if monks are doing less dps than that and pulling hate with a paladin tank- it's the tank's fault... but often there's not much he can do about it. we've yet to have a single paladin keep hate when our monks hit those numbers. not even when paladin is their main job and they have little experience tanking as warrior.

    but this is all futile, because i could tell you exactly what conclusion you should be drawing from this and you'll still miss the mark, because you're not interested in truth. you're only interested in pushing your own agenda, no matter what- facts and objectivity be damned.
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    Last edited by fusional; 04-17-2012 at 07:16 AM.

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