Simple Fix to PLD

[Akumu]

Also, I don't know where people are getting this "Enmity is the problem!" crap. It might not be the same as WAR, but PLD will still get the job done.

It's not THE problem but it is A problem when it is compared to a WAR. PLD requires so much more to keep hate unlike a WAR that can just slap the mob around and says "Who's your daddy!" every 15 seconds.

Looking at your sig it lets me know you do see the effort needed to play the job lmao.

The job can do well without being as simple as a WAR, which is why I also agree with the OP.

[Akumu]

Second Wind and Bloodbath are "instant heal", it's easy to use them without being interrupt by a... for exemple... 100T Swing ?

If you want 20% or more damage reduction, then lower their enmity generation, make it more harder to keep it if you just going to straight tank.

PLD already requires more than straight tanking to keep hate. It doesn't need it to be even more difficult when compared to WAR. I feel sorry for the controller users out there(if there are any when on a PLD).

If you're going to reduce damage overall it's would also be better to reduce damage reduction from shield block, and more you're increasing the shield block rate, the less you're getting reduction damage. Perhaps if the mitigation isn't enough you could get some materia damage reduction to socket on a shield or having this effect on an rare/ex shield.
Revamp Aegis Boon, so instead of blocking the next hit with 100% dmg reduction, your block rate and damage mitigation are enhanced (by 20% each ?).

Shield Blocking is already hard to pull off without abilities and the damage reduction isn't that great either. I also think Aegis Boon is fine and doesn't need to be another type of outmaneuver. PLD doesn't need a complete rework, just more tweaks.

The other problem with whm is the enmity generation, you have to bring 2 whm if you want to spare some hate.(so he can choose between dmg support or healing support).

People don't bring 2 WHMS because of the hate on Cure. A WAR laughs at almost everybody on the battlefield that thinks they can pull hate from him/her. Only PLD have the hate controlling issues when compared. Even that BLM using his mighty combos isn't as much of a problem with a WAR Tank.


So in other words, I think what you suggest will create more problems, without fixing much, and still leave us Tanks(that would prefer to tank as a PLD) behind the WARs overall.

[Nexxus]

I mean, if you're just straight tanking so your principal job is to deal atleast with enmity generation, or you won't get fun at all playing with it standing right there. Actually the enmity is not so good, but that's because you can not use all your skills if you have to avoid some TPmove.

You can:

- Reduce enmity generation from cure spells (for whm).
- Give bard cure II, so it'll help a bit with enmity from whm.
- Give an enmity skills that'll last 30s and recast is 30s and enhance enmity generation from some skills.
- reduce enmity generation from some skills (generate less enmity overall, but use a skill to keep it up as it was before)

Note: some skills = Sames skills

[Jinko]

You can:

- Reduce enmity generation from cure spells (for whm).

WTF nooo

- Give bard cure II, so it'll help a bit with enmity from whm.

They removed healing from THM to add it back to BRD ? are you mad ?

Please don't start hacking away at other classes just because Paladin is broken.

Also VIT, I won't bash so much. Personally I do VIT/MND, though I am considering STR/MND. MND makes the most sense of all the stats, as PLD is meant to be healing very often and also MND is a bonus attribute to damage as well, which helps enmity both directly and as a boost to the combo bonus of Flat Blade.

Lets not forget that MND increases magic resistance/M.Def. (of course its probably negligible but thought I should mention it)

[LadySaeko]

People just plain dont know how to play PLD now is all. I come across this almost every random AF nm shout group I join. They have no clue how to kite without taking dmg, they cant hold hate "but im spamming every hate ability I got" youd be suprised how many times that line is used by alot of you PLD out there xP & their PLDs are geared to deal dmg like they ever gona compete with actual dd's. How many of you plds stacking STR/MND, VIT/STR or VIT/MND? or even worse stacking HP?

DEX/VIT xP give it a try cause if you not @300+ DEX why bother carrying your shield around?

860+ DEF
+71 Enmity
325 VIT
310 DEX
470 Magic Evasion
after buff/food no meds & none of its darklight gear

Theres my main stats on PLD and I have 0 problem with tanking and dd's arent asked to hold back. As for someone saying PLD takes same dmg as WAR lol this is not true by a long shot when your partially blocking nearly ever attack and full blocking + much higher DEF. For example last night 5 maned Great Buffalo for fun with my PLD and just 1 WHM. You partially block Onrush 1200 dmg Onrush deals 2500 dmg. At a rough glance Id say I partially blocked or full blocked 60-70% of all his attacks? Very rough guess after going through my log after the fight, but my partials happen alot. I know great buffalo is old news but it still hits like a truck & its what I most recently did checking my log after the fight.

Hope it helps some of you out there who are having trouble with your PLD ^^ obviously your shield is key, but also takes skill with timing/spacing out your abilities.

[Andrien]

People just plain dont know how to play PLD now is all. I come across this almost every random AF nm shout group I join. They have no clue how to kite without taking dmg, they cant hold hate "but im spamming every hate ability I got" youd be suprised how many times that line is used by alot of you PLD out there xP & their PLDs are geared to deal dmg like they ever gona compete with actual dd's. How many of you plds stacking STR/MND, VIT/STR or VIT/MND? or even worse stacking HP?

DEX/VIT xP give it a try cause if you not @300+ DEX why bother carrying your shield around?

860+ DEF
+71 Enmity
325 VIT
310 DEX
470 Magic Evasion
after buff/food no meds & none of its darklight gear

Theres my main stats on PLD and I have 0 problem with tanking and dd's arent asked to hold back. As for someone saying PLD takes same dmg as WAR lol this is not true by a long shot when your partially blocking nearly ever attack and full blocking + much higher DEF. For example last night 5 maned Great Buffalo for fun with my PLD and just 1 WHM. You partially block Onrush 1200 dmg Onrush deals 2500 dmg. At a rough glance Id say I partially blocked or full blocked 60-70% of all his attacks? Very rough guess after going through my log after the fight, but my partials happen alot. I know great buffalo is old news but it still hits like a truck & its what I most recently did checking my log after the fight.

Hope it helps some of you out there who are having trouble with your PLD ^^ obviously your shield is key, but also takes skill with timing/spacing out your abilities.

I don't think you get it. A WAR can do better in a shorter time.

[Stufoo]

At a rough glance Id say I partially blocked or full blocked 60-70% of all his attacks? Very rough guess after going through my log after the fight, but my partials happen alot.

Would you please elaborate on the difference between a partial block and a full block? Thanks in advance.

Also, why block Onrush (and care about the mitigation you can get on it) when you can dodge it, or even better, completely eliminate it from the fight? I hope you see how this is relevant to the current dungeons and bosses, and the situation the two tanks are in.

[LadySaeko]

Would you please elaborate on the difference between a partial block and a full block? Thanks in advance.

Also, why block Onrush (and care about the mitigation you can get on it) when you can dodge it, or even better, completely eliminate it from the fight? I hope you see how this is relevant to the current dungeons and bosses, and the situation the two tanks are in.

Full block will block the entire attack dealing you 0 dmg. Partial block cuts the damage you would have taken in 1/2 roughly. On the higher lvl NM or Boss types I get far more partials vs fulls compared to the r50-60 normal enemies because their stats are way higher I assume or like the OP said diminished results vs the higher stuff.

I take Onrush to test shield proc of partials and fulls against TP moves and the dmg I take. I normally dodge the long TP moves.

[NoctisUmbra]

Full block will block the entire attack dealing you 0 dmg. Partial block cuts the damage you would have taken in 1/2 roughly. On the higher lvl NM or Boss types I get far more partials vs fulls compared to the r50-60 normal enemies because their stats are way higher I assume or like the OP said diminished results vs the higher stuff.

I take Onrush to test shield proc of partials and fulls against TP moves and the dmg I take. I normally dodge the long TP moves.

Also, I'm pretty sure how much damage a partial block cuts is based on the Block value of your shield as well as dLv.

[LadySaeko]

Also, I'm pretty sure how much damage a partial block cuts is based on the Block value of your shield as well as dLv.

No clue xP I just go off the dmg numbers I see and its easier to see the difference for me through TP dmg which Im sure varies, but has been roughly 1/2 taken on them lol Im terrible at specifics. I'm also sorry for derailing your thread it seems peoples responses to my post are heading that way, so Ill stop posting now ^^