Simple Fix to PLD

[DoctorMog]

Let me spell this out;

PLD is fine, its just a harder class to effectively use.
PLD is more versatile than WAR at tanking and probably is why people are QQing. They can't figure out how to use it. I will chalk this thread up to the inability to correctly use PLD.

WAR
has higher base HP
5 threat generation skills: (Voke, collusion, weaponskill, Flash, Dps)
3 Damage reduction skills: (Rampart Sentnel and foresight)
1 heal: Second Wind
Thats it... Thats all it can do.


PLD:
lower HP, but is more versatile:
6 Threat generation sills: (Provoke, Flat blade, war drum, Flash(Aoe) Spirits Within and Heals)
5 or (7) Damage reduction skills: Aegis Boon, Divine Veil, outmaneuver, rampart, sentinel, (Hallowed Ground 15 mins) (Cover on others)
2 Sources of heals: Cure (sacred prism for aoe) and Holy Succor (also threat generators)
1 Stun: Shield Bash
Cover...
Raise...

All for what? Lower base HP?

I LoL at you sir and bid you "good day"

Maybe you are just a bad PLD.

Edit: I am in NO way saying, PLD should be your main tank in CC or AV or whatever, I am saying that it IS ALREADY a very strong class, people just don't know how to play. It doesn't need a "buff" it needs you to "Learn2play" before suggesting revisions to already well balanced features.

[NoctisUmbra]

PLD is fine, its just a harder class to effectively use.
PLD is more versatile than WAR at tanking and probably is why people are QQing. They can't figure out how to use it.

WAR
has higher base HP
5 threat generation skills: (Voke, collusion, weaponskill, Flash, Dps)
3 Damage reduction skills: (Rampart Sentnel and foresight)
Thats it... Thats all it can do.


PLD:
lower HP, but is more versatile:
6 Threat generation sills: (Provoke, Flat blade, war drum, Flash(Aoe) Spirits Within and Heals)
5 or (7) Damage reduction skills: Aegis Boon, Divine Veil, outmaneuver, rampart, sentinel, (Hallowed Ground 15 mins) (Cover on others)
2 Sources of heals: Cure (sacred prism for aoe) and Holy Succor (also threat generators)
1 Stun: Shield Bash
Cover...
Raise...

All for what? Lower base HP?

I LoL at you sir and bid you "good day"

Maybe you are just a bad PLD.

You... You're really making it a point to embarrass yourself today aren't you, Mog.

Please, for your own sake just cut your losses here. I'd respond to your points, but I have a feeling enough of the community understands why much of what you just said is incorrect, so I'll just leave you to your own thoughts.

I mean, you suggested that I wear more Defense as a measure of global damage mitigation. Really? Do you actually understand this game anymore?

[DoctorMog]

You... You're really making it a point to embarrass yourself today aren't you, Mog.

Please, for your own sake just cut your losses here. I'd respond to your points here, but I have a feeling enough of the community understands why much of what you just said is incorrect, so I'll just leave you to your own thoughts.

I mean, you suggested that I wear more Defense as a measure of global damage mitigation. Really? Do you actually understand this game anymore?

No I wasn't suggesting players wear more DEF, I was suggesting that PLD already has higher DEF than Leather and cloth wearers, thus already giving it the 10-20% increase in damage reduction you are requesting.

If you are comparing it to WAR, look at my post, PLD is more versatile than WAR, it can heal, it has more threat capabilities and more damage mitigation skills. Yes, they take the same damage on a swing from a boss because they both are wearing plate... And?

PLD can heal itself, others, stun, generate faster threat, etc...

Just admit you can't play PLD and leave it alone.

[NoctisUmbra]

No I wasn't suggesting players wear more DEF, I was suggesting that PLD already has higher DEF than Leather and cloth wearers, thus already giving it the 10-20% increase in damage reduction you are requesting.

OK, apparently you don't understand that 100-200 more Defense does not equate to 10-20% more damage mitigation. Not even for physical attacks, which is all that Defense effects, when at a negative dLv not to mention that it does nothing for magic-based attacks which matter much more.

Even PLD mains have stopped tanking on PLD and instead use WAR. Seriously, what game are you playing Mog?

[DoctorMog]

OK, apparently you don't understand that 100-200 more Defense does not equate to 10-20% more damage mitigation. Not even for physical attacks, which is all that Defense effects, when at a negative dLv not to mention that it does nothing for magic-based attacks which matter much more.

Take a hit from Chimera on your PLD and then on your DRG. (or for added fun, your BLM

Let me know your results.

I am interested in knowing what game it is you are playing.

[Taggerung5]

For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

Get more enmity.

It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!

[Majidah]

Let me spell this out;

PLD is fine, its just a harder class to effectively use.
PLD is more versatile than WAR at tanking and probably is why people are QQing. They can't figure out how to use it. I will chalk this thread up to the inability to correctly use PLD.

WAR
has higher base HP
5 threat generation skills: (Voke, collusion, weaponskill, Flash, Dps)
3 Damage reduction skills: (Rampart Sentnel and foresight)
1 heal: Second Wind
Thats it... Thats all it can do.


PLD:
lower HP, but is more versatile:
6 Threat generation sills: (Provoke, Flat blade, war drum, Flash(Aoe) Spirits Within and Heals)
5 or (7) Damage reduction skills: Aegis Boon, Divine Veil, outmaneuver, rampart, sentinel, (Hallowed Ground 15 mins) (Cover on others)
2 Sources of heals: Cure (sacred prism for aoe) and Holy Succor (also threat generators)
1 Stun: Shield Bash
Cover...
Raise...

All for what? Lower base HP?

I LoL at you sir and bid you "good day"

Maybe you are just a bad PLD.

Edit: I am in NO way saying, PLD should be your main tank in CC or AV or whatever, I am saying that it IS ALREADY a very strong class, people just don't know how to play. It doesn't need a "buff" it needs you to "Learn2play" before suggesting revisions to already well balanced features.

thing is, PLD is wet noodle damage; the only thing its good for is tanking. so if it can't main tank CC or AV or whatever, how can you say its any good? might as well get a war who can either DD or sub tank in its place

[SwordCoheir]

Let me spell this out;
WAR
has higher base HP
5 threat generation skills: (Voke, collusion, weaponskill, Flash, Dps)
3 Damage reduction skills: (Rampart Sentnel and foresight)
1 heal: Second Wind
Thats it... Thats all it can do.

I dunno why people keep forgetting half the WAR abilities or their functions when making comparisons to PLD.

Antagonize- Increases Enmity per action similar to Sentinel
Second Wind- Can generate hate just like cures can.
Vengeance- Redirects 50% damage back at the enemy. (AKA -50% damage taken, comparable to Sentinel on PLD.)
Featherfoot- Can dodge an attack altogether.
Bloodbath- Heals you based on damage from your next WS.
Rampart- Can heal your HP = Damage done when you Crit, it's healing effect stacks with AoE's, and WAR's power increases as damage is dealt to you meaning more Enmity.

I know the hate argument is irrelevant as long as whomever is tanking can hold it, personally I haven't had an issue on either job. But I still think PLD receives the short end of the stick simply because WAR and PLD's defensive capabilities are not far apart from one another, yet the DPS gap is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

[Jinko]

WAR
has higher base HP
5 threat generation skills: (Voke, collusion, weaponskill, Flash, Dps)
3 Damage reduction skills: (Rampart Sentnel and foresight)
1 heal: Second Wind (
Thats it... Thats all it can do.

Hmm so bloodbath doesn't count as healing now ?

[Enfarious]

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Edit: I am in NO way saying, PLD should be your main tank in CC or AV or whatever, I am saying that it IS ALREADY a very strong class, people just don't know how to play. It doesn't need a "buff" it needs you to "Learn2play" before suggesting revisions to already well balanced features.

Others covered the rest of that post in spades, but really isn't this the problem, PLD is a tank and the answer is don't use pld as a tank for things?
Does that not seem horribly broken?
Does that not need some work?

I'm sorry, when did we switch to magic resistance? I recall the conversation to be on physical defense.

Anyway...

If your entire basis for PLD needing a buff is magic resistance, then you should have said that.

Everywhere else, PLD is a better, and more versatile tank.

WAR is a better DPS/Tank hybrid.

It was on dmg mitigation in general.
WAR should not be the definitive answer to tanking, it should be a secondary at most, PLDs traditionally tank and tank well, this is not the case in just FFs but all RPGs that have PLD or a PLD like class. How can anyone say that another job is a better tank and not feel instantly like something is wrong.

Shield your eyes here's some FFXI stuff:
Are there other classes that tank? Hell yea, gods know I loved tanking on thf, nin, dnc, mnk all in XI, but at the end of the day a pld could tank all the same things and if they were decent they'd do it well, the -m/pdt gear more than making them a match for those AoE spells/attks that ate shadows and put down my eva tanks.
You can safely unshield your eyes now.

Really to say, wear more def, your a bad pld, or any of that other crap is just that, it's crap. PLD is broken, we all know it, stop trying to say it isn't.