Simple Fix to PLD

[Brannigan]

Please tell me what is going through your head when you type up something like this and use no formatting whatsoever. Also I just looked into this text abomination and saw this:

Not there yet, but once our LS is ready to enter garuda , gona test 1 pld, 1 healer and 6 war set up.

Good luck with that.

Also, really, this thread should die. The original idea is broken and dangerously simple. They're increasing paladin single target DPS by buffing its awful weaponskills and raising its hit points and that's all they really need to do since they tweaked blocking calculations.

[stanleyyoung]

the answer to war over pld tanking is not just to nerf war like everyone says, its to make pld better. warrior is fine, with farily decent gear and a palyer knowing how to use the job correctly warrior is a good tank/dd. i tank alot on war and sometimes on pld, i can hold hate good and do decent amount of damage using warrior. its not overpowered its just pld is very underpowered.

when i tank on pld the main thing that i have trouble with it, is that it really needs to regen mp more with cover and outmanuvear. i mean i get basicially no mp back when i cover a whm or anybody or when i do outmanuvear. pld doesn't need to have more enmity+ abilities like ppl say, a boost in defense making it take bit less damage, and better mp regen would allow you to do more holy succor for survivablity and hate gain.

outmanuvear should be changed to allow u to raise your shiled and keep it up like "guard ability" did prior to auto block, that alone would help grealty, outmanuvear now doesn't really increase block rate too much and the mp regen is shitty! changing it to when u do outmanuvear you keep your shield raised lets say for example 30seconds and each block you get 40mp would help pld to build hate from doing more holy suucors and heal party members helping out whm a bit.

Then cover needs to be enhanced/changed! right now you dont really regen too much mp from that either, and thats only when you are wearing AF body piece anyways. it needs to be changed to were you cover an ally for a longer time period and also you dont need to wear af body piece for that effect like you have to now! the af should just boost/enhanced pld cover ability more. Cover also needs to regen mp constanlty whether or not the covered ally generates enimty , so as soon you do the ability you begin to regen mp until effect is done, and all actions done by the covered target, the enimty is transfered to pld.

another idea with cover to help out pld get more enimty(since ppl say thats what it needs too) it should be able to do cover ability whenever with no recast or duration for effect. so basically it can always be active on a party memeber and can be switched to another member at anytime thus making pld a party saver, cover now being like this would make enimty gain/holding hate no problem and would be great to keep ppl alive and help out whm and increase pld tanking ability. also this cover would constantly regen mp no matter if the covered target builds enmity, or not!

[Aceofspades]

Again , why is anyone having hate controll issues with PLD? enless somone is intentionally trying to steal hate from you as a PLD its realy not hard at all. For those who find themselves in mele dps partys, here is a realy good tip, use RAMPART. and if your party is spread out. then there is a good chance its a range DPS fight only jobs that come to mind are thm/blm and or arch/brd.... hmm could be wrong but Im pretty sure all those jobs have hate dump tools... dare I say , use them?

[Aceofspades]

I honestly dont know why they didnt take pld, but lets keep in mind

1) garuda was broken

2) after a hot patch to fix garuda a team of JP players brough ALL jobs and doubled up on the BRDs , in this set up the PLD was the tank, they won the fight with as much ease as the first group that went through. soo not only is your point moot but atempting to call me out on such premises is a sign that you obvously have no amunition probably due to the fact that you have no Idea on what your talking about and or your just another love drunk war tank that cant see past your own ego to realize WAR has its limitations.

[SwordCoheir]

I honestly dont know why they didnt take pld, but lets keep in mind

1) garuda was broken

2) after a hot patch to fix garuda a team of JP players brough ALL jobs and doubled up on the BRDs , in this set up the PLD was the tank, they won the fight with as much ease as the first group that went through. soo not only is your point moot but atempting to call me out on such premises is a sign that you obvously have no amunition probably due to the fact that you have no Idea on what your talking about and or your just another love drunk war tank that cant see past your own ego to realize WAR has its limitations.

Had nothing to do with Garuda being "Broken" as you put it, they said it was too inefficient for the fight, and I'm really inclined to agree with them, because

A. You can avoid all of Garuda's most damaging moves.

B. Taking her HP down faster means you leave less opportunity for her to take out the pillars, which are pivotal to surviving Ariel Blast. (To Carlify, less opportunities for her Mistral Shriek/Scream to damage pillars which happens no matter how efficient you are at taking out Plumes.)

They may have abused the developers oversight when defeating Garuda, but the overall point still stands they developed Garuda into another "speed run" fight making it impractical to bring in a low DPS turtle tank when time is of the essence and damage taken is mostly negligible.

I would also like to point out, most of these "Broken" Garuda fights were done with players who were skilled and wore powerful double/triple+ melded gear. If you paid attention to their posts during the different discussions they would say it took them numerous tries to get the timing and rhythm down where it was feesable for them to do. So it's not like we were going to see a bunch of all AF BLM groups doing this easily like people do with Ifrit.

[Aceofspades]

Had nothing to do with Garuda being "Broken" as you put it, they said it was too inefficient for the fight, and I'm really inclined to agree with them, because

A. You can avoid all of Garuda's most damaging moves.

B. Taking her HP down faster means you leave less opportunity for her to take out the pillars, which are pivotal to surviving Ariel Blast. (To Carlify, less opportunities for her Mistral Shriek/Scream to damage pillars which happens no matter how efficient you are at taking out Plumes.)

They may have abused the developers oversight when defeating Garuda, but the overall point still stands they developed Garuda into another "speed run" fight making it impractical to bring in a low DPS turtle tank when time is of the essence and damage taken is mostly negligible.

I would also like to point out, most of these "Broken" Garuda fights were done with players who were skilled and wore powerful double/triple+ melded gear. If you paid attention to their posts during the different discussions they would say it took them numerous tries to get the timing and rhythm down where it was feesable for them to do. So it's not like we were going to see a bunch of all AF BLM groups doing this easily like people do with Ifrit.

Oh, no, please dont misunderstand, I get they are skill full players and no stratigy had been developed at the moment, I am by no means trying to belittle their feat. HOWEVER they openly admited to not taking a PLD, with only one healer, your WAR had to be moderitly buffed in defensive stats, this would obviously hinder offensive stats. Soo yet again, a simple break down. If WAR has lower ACC , lower chance of ANY attack landing = lower tp and more combos interupted by misses. Also, if attk and str stats are compromised for defensive stats , even IF the crits hit, they will be for less , gimping heals and hate controll. The ONLY stat that plays in war's favor in terms of tanking is VIT, for obvious reasons. But vit alone dose little for DPS. Again, gimp the DPS on war and you gimp war's ability to do what makes it such a viable tank. Soo when using a one healer set up, not only is it better to take a PLD for self heal abilities but because pld supports the party well and derives ALOT of hate by doing soo, that further supports my claim that if your gona gimp healing power to add to DPS , PLD is the obvious best choice. Not realy sure how this topic is up for debate, anyone who knows how the jobs work and current stats should already have an understanding. The only way I see taking a WAR tank over a PLD tank in this situation is if the person tanking is soo unfamiliar with PLD they just flat out suck on the job.

[Brannigan]

Maybe you just suck ass at warrior aceofspades.

[Matsume]

PALADIUM: U CAN HAVE THIS. PLD ONLY ARMOR: REDUCED GLOBAL DAMAGE BY 15%. MINABLE AND CRAFTABLE. HQ VERSION REDUCES DMG BY 20%. MAKE IT HAPPEN SE, CHOP CHOP

[Aceofspades]

lol , great come back, truth is, I dont think anyone can "suck ass" at warrior. LOL! No even with no enmity gear on and negative enmity gear , all dps stats stacked, and no hate moves used, I still stole hate off a WAR tank. Regaurdless of how you FEEL about a job, facts remain to be facts, only thing I can advise if your that butt hurt over it is, build a bridge and get over it.

[Brannigan]

Regaurdless of how you FEEL about a job, facts remain to be facts

You might want to say this into a mirror