Quote Originally Posted by Zenaku View Post
you can really tell a diff from a player who was powerlevel and a player who was not. I don't know how many time i left party or not even did ifrit with people because all they did was powerlevel each other they did not know how to play the game at all.
Those people chose not to read up on their job and teach themselves how to use it. It's silly to suggest that learning to play a job can only exclusively be done via grinding when often endgame content is very different to how grind parties work.

On whm in grind parties i basically used prism+stoneskin and the other whm used prism+regen and that was it...that's all the healing that was required. Also how many grind parties have you been in where 1) the person does something stupid and 2) learns nothing from the experience? "Oh hey don't wander off alone or you'll die" x100. Ifrit is not a lesson in how to play your job for anything other than whm and tank, Ifrit is a lesson in how to combat SE mechanic limitations such as animation lock and latency. Besides all of 3 jobs get used in pickups for that fight anyway.

Grind parties do not offer you something you cannot get elsewhere; you can read forums, read job guides, go out and solo some leves/nms and still be just as competent as someone who took grind parties from level 1-50. Power leveling is just blindly pointed to as something that makes 'bad players'. I don't even 100% agree with power-leveling but the argument is flawed.