Before you power level noobs

[Wevlum]

I'm tired of arguing power levelers and stating the obvious. I saw more shouts last night and was thinking about it. Then this old parable came to mind: Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him 1000 years.
I just think we are just ruining this game. I'm sure most/ all were helped out or power leveled in some form or the other. We've all taken advantages of glitches in this game, but had to relearn our jobs. I just think it would be more fitting if the veteran's give advice to the newer generation of players.
Everyone can't have it easy. Just look at what ffxi is today. I hear it is a joke now. Let's not make this awesome game the joke the 11 is today.

Ok but only because you said so.
> telling people how they're allowed to play a game

Newbies aren't idiots that have to be taught how to fish and so they don't need our enlightenment to learn how to play a job. There are 2 types of people, those that learn how to play their job and those that don't. Power level isn't what determines that, it's the player themselves because we have something called agency.

[Zenaku]

Ok but only because you said so.
> telling people how they're allowed to play a game

Newbies aren't idiots that have to be taught how to fish and so they don't need our enlightenment to learn how to play a job. There are 2 types of people, those that learn how to play their job and those that don't. Power level isn't what determines that, it's the player themselves because we have something called agency.

you can really tell a diff from a player who was powerlevel and a player who was not. I don't know how many time i left party or not even did ifrit with people because all they did was powerlevel each other they did not know how to play the game at all.

[Wevlum]

you can really tell a diff from a player who was powerlevel and a player who was not. I don't know how many time i left party or not even did ifrit with people because all they did was powerlevel each other they did not know how to play the game at all.

Those people chose not to read up on their job and teach themselves how to use it. It's silly to suggest that learning to play a job can only exclusively be done via grinding when often endgame content is very different to how grind parties work.

On whm in grind parties i basically used prism+stoneskin and the other whm used prism+regen and that was it...that's all the healing that was required. Also how many grind parties have you been in where 1) the person does something stupid and 2) learns nothing from the experience? "Oh hey don't wander off alone or you'll die" x100. Ifrit is not a lesson in how to play your job for anything other than whm and tank, Ifrit is a lesson in how to combat SE mechanic limitations such as animation lock and latency. Besides all of 3 jobs get used in pickups for that fight anyway.

Grind parties do not offer you something you cannot get elsewhere; you can read forums, read job guides, go out and solo some leves/nms and still be just as competent as someone who took grind parties from level 1-50. Power leveling is just blindly pointed to as something that makes 'bad players'. I don't even 100% agree with power-leveling but the argument is flawed.

[Teia]

you can really tell a diff from a player who was powerlevel and a player who was not. I don't know how many time i left party or not even did ifrit with people because all they did was powerlevel each other they did not know how to play the game at all.

I got powerleveled to hell on my THM and my MRD. Not that it matters, since I leveled them ages ago back when THM in parties was Sacrifice spam and MRD had aoe melee attacks, and I had to relearn how to play each class anyway. But that part clearly doesn't matter because me being powerleveled somehow taints me? Personally, I'd rather have a powerleveled WAR on Ifrit who knows how to play the job effectively than someone who ground it to 50 on raptors and beastmen who thinks tanking Ifrit is anything like killing trash mobs.

Not like grinding prepares you for endgame anyway. The dynamics are totally different and applying the former to the latter can actually be more dangerous than simply not knowing the latter.