Before you power level noobs

[Teia]

To draw on just a part of what you said, I'm glad you can tank on warrior. I'm not supporting the OP or attacking you, but anyone can tank on warrior. 4 > 5 > 1 2 3 > 1 2 3 > 6 > 1 2 3... failing that, put up rampage and just hit 1 2 3 over and over.

There are better examples to use than tanking on warrior i mean to say.

You realize this was exactly my point, right? It's not meant to be some kind of "I'm so awesome." It's meant to be more like "somehow despite being PLed I'm not some kind of mouthbreathing gimp."

[IceWing]

Is OP trolling? Because even without a PL you can lvl a job to 50 in a couple days.

yeah after i got archer to 25 and got my chocobo for my first character, i just started a grind pt and got to 50 in 2 or 3 days i think idk, took like 2 for war still working on the others kind-of, mainly gave up on lvling to fight ifrit for awhile.

[Vonleo]

yeah after i got archer to 25 and got my chocobo for my first character, i just started a grind pt and got to 50 in 2 or 3 days i think idk, took like 2 for war still working on the others kind-of, mainly gave up on lvling to fight ifrit for awhile.

Leveling in this game takes no skill what so ever. You grab a warrior tank and 1 or 2 whm then rest are DD and you go to natalan and you grind the crap out of them for a few hours and you get 50 in no time....also its a hell of a lot easier when you have 2-3 BLM then its basically the warrior links all the mobs and steel cyclones them all for the hate and the BLM all use flare at the same time for basically instant exp....

[drchook]

Hey there Xakery (and everyone else in this thread). I just thought I would bring to this thread the perspective of someone brand new to the game (I only ever played briefly in beta, decided not to buy at that time).

I have not been power-leveled, or asked anyone to be power-leveled. To me, power-leveling is something you do for your third or fourth+ class (done by someone close to you, not paid for), when you know the ins and outs of the game and are simply looking to achieve a goal quickly.

But what I really wanted to focus on was this statement "I just think it would be more fitting if the veteran's give advice to the newer generation of players." I could not agree MORE. However, if that advice is out there, it is very difficult or sometimes even impossible to find. I think I will make another thread about this soon, but since your statement was the 'spark' I wanted to reply here first.

As a new player, trying to find something out about this game is not only extremely difficulty, but very confusing. Google searching something simple like "ff14 jobs" returns links to paid guides, youtube videos from the first beta, obscure forum posts, press releases, and many other things which are not really what I was looking for at all. It took me 20 minutes just to figure out what the class level requirements were for the job system, and then more digging after to that to find out their roles / uses.

Now I am not one to be squeamish about doing a little research, but these sort of confusing results show up for every little thing you want to learn about. And more often than not, the information you find is outdated / no longer relevant. I still am not 100% sure about what grand companies are, and what I need to do to be prepared to join when the time comes.

I guess my point is, you said "I just think it would be more fitting if the veteran's give advice to the newer generation of players" but in your whole post, you never gave me any advice. Where should I level? What should I hold on to / sell? How do the grand companies work? What is expected of players in parties? What are the level ranges for the various instances / boss fights? Outside the game, where can I find accurate, up to date information about the game? What's the best way to find a linkshell? And so on.

With 2.0 coming, everyone is hoping that a surge of new blood will give the game a fresh start and see it really take off. But it is my humble opinion that while square needs to hold up its end by making the game better, the community has a lot of work to do as well when it comes to ushering new players into the fold. I can tell you now, I have a LOT more patience than the average player is going to have when it comes to searching for the right answers, and it is my opinion that many new players will simply quit if they can't figure out how the game works a bit more easily.

Anyways, I don't mean to call you out, and I don't want to come off as angry or ranting because I'm really not angry. This has been a dieing game, but it's gotten a lot better. It's more sad than anything I guess that the games growing greatness is completely obscured on the internet by its past failures.

Thanks all!

~Chook

[Teia]

I once had a party with a total of 4 (yes, really) WHMs in it. I have no idea why we kept recruiting them given that we clearly needed DDs, but hey, at least when people died, there was always a Raise handy.

[ReplicaX]

I'm tired of arguing power levelers and stating the obvious. I saw more shouts last night and was thinking about it. Then this old parable came to mind: Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him 1000 years.
I just think we are just ruining this game. I'm sure most/ all were helped out or power leveled in some form or the other. We've all taken advantages of glitches in this game, but had to relearn our jobs. I just think it would be more fitting if the veteran's give advice to the newer generation of players.
Everyone can't have it easy. Just look at what ffxi is today. I hear it is a joke now. Let's not make this awesome game the joke the 11 is today.

Even though XI was a forced party environment ppl always looked for ways to exploit XP way before Aby and the community forced job specific "Bird camps". There are always ppl that want the easy button. In XI you had ppl get to 75 even through straight XP Pts yet they still didn't understand or learn the core of their job. It's going to happen, its just a sad fact.

Regardless of being PLed or not it comes down to the user learning their class/job. The thing I do agree with is shouting for PLs or paying for PLs imo is stupid. The community generally 1-30 wants to solo leve grind and there are fewer shouts for XP pts in these lvls and the community ignored SE's point of making shposhae and Toto.

The other issue I see and Ifrit is a perfect example. If you want Ifrit wins, go with your LS or shout for Experienced Players Only if you don't want to deal with new Ifrit players. I see too many ppl just shout normally for easy button Ifrits, THM x5 goto him and wipe due too an inexperienced Ifrit player and leave, then complain about it when they didnt even try to teach that person strats for a few runs. Even with 1 inexperienced DD you can easily take him down. I helped a new Archer with this the other day and after a few runs he had it down and we still got wins regardless of his learning phase.

[Xakery]

I am not calling power leveled people morons, but I'm sick and tired of lazy gamers wanting/getting a quick fix so they think they can do moogle / Ifrit or current end game dungeons or material. I take this game very seriously and when I join primal fight parties, that say they are veterans, when they don't know their cudgel from their quiver and I just end up wasting time that I could have been doing something else, besides teaching 50's how to play.
If you can't see where I'm coming from GTFO. I'm just angry, which is the general mood for my posts. I think a lot can be learned from doing leves, getting in and forming parties, seeking guidance, and grinding things out.
I sit in Uldah, not only to black list idiots, but to spot that shout for people searching for something. If it is spam ls shout, I direct them to the Balmung ls list. If it is people seeking a party spam, I encourage them to do leves until more get online their level, make their own, or some easy solo locations.
Saying that people are morons from getting power leveled 1-50 or that good players grind 1-50 was not my point of this thread. I'm just sick and tired of lazy people getting PLed only to be taught in end game situations by veterans who have to babysit, and perform above par because of a 8 man party that actually feels like a 5 man suicide.

[Wevlum]

I am not calling power leveled people morons, but I'm sick and tired of lazy gamers wanting/getting a quick fix so they think they can do moogle / Ifrit or current end game dungeons or material. I take this game very seriously and when I join primal fight parties, that say they are veterans, when they don't know their cudgel from their quiver and I just end up wasting time that I could have been doing something else, besides teaching 50's how to play.
If you can't see where I'm coming from GTFO. I'm just angry, which is the general mood for my posts. I think a lot can be learned from doing leves, getting in and forming parties, seeking guidance, and grinding things out.
I sit in Uldah, not only to black list idiots, but to spot that shout for people searching for something. If it is spam ls shout, I direct them to the Balmung ls list. If it is people seeking a party spam, I encourage them to do leves until more get online their level, make their own, or some easy solo locations.
Saying that people are morons from getting power leveled 1-50 or that good players grind 1-50 was not my point of this thread. I'm just sick and tired of lazy people getting PLed only to be taught in end game situations by veterans who have to babysit, and perform above par because of a 8 man party that actually feels like a 5 man suicide.

... PL or no PL you have to learn Ifrit. At some point we are all babysat unless you invented the strat yourself. "Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him 1000 years." you're teaching people how to fish anyway since fishing in this context is Ifrit apparently.

If PL vs no PL wasn't the point of your thread then the title is very misleading.

EDIT; Also was going to let this go but seriously you tell people to "GTFO" if they don't have your mindset (that's not how forums work I'm afraid) yet you "sit in Uldah, not only to black list idiots, but to spot that shout for people searching for something. If it is spam ls shout, I direct them to the Balmung ls list." There's irony here somewhere.

Also... "Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him 1000 years." stop force feeding skeletons fish.

[Xakery]

EDIT; Also was going to let this go but seriously you tell people to "GTFO" if they don't have your mindset (that's not how forums work I'm afraid) yet you "sit in Uldah, not only to black list idiots, but to spot that shout for people searching for something. If it is spam ls shout, I direct them to the Balmung ls list." There's irony here somewhere.

Also... "Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him 1000 years." stop force feeding skeletons fish.

the gtfo was a joke and i send people tells directing them to sites unless it is PL spam shouts for seeking or recruitment. In the later cases I shout a few then just blacklist all who argue. It makes my world a lot more quiet.
What do you mean by skeletons fish?

[Wevlum]

the gtfo was a joke and i send people tells directing them to sites unless it is PL spam shouts for seeking or recruitment. In the later cases I shout a few then just blacklist all who argue. It makes my world a lot more quiet.
What do you mean by skeletons fish?

People don't live for a 1000 years...tl;dr after the first 100 you're probably just force feeding a skeleton.

"I shout a few then just blacklist all who argue" you'd make an awesome motivational speaker.