Remove timer SE

[PennyStormfire]

I am so tired of hearing all of the apologists for this insanity. We have all heard ad-nauseum what the rational for having the timer is. Regardless of how many reasons SE gives for this idea it is still a completely unnecessary and cruel mechanic. There is a very simple solution to this which satisfies all of the issues placed forward as reasons for using this timer. Create a lottery, plot goes up people come to plot select "purchase" and they are placed into a pool to be drawn at a time CLEARLY STATED on the prompt, when the drawing happens the player is sent an in-game message or flag and they have 5 minutes to respond with their payment. If 5 minutes passes another name is drawn. Simple and to the point. All of the appropriate checks can be made prior to being allowed into the pool.

[Almagnus1]

I am so tired of hearing all of the apologists for this insanity. We have all heard ad-nauseum what the rational for having the timer is. Regardless of how many reasons SE gives for this idea it is still a completely unnecessary and cruel mechanic. There is a very simple solution to this which satisfies all of the issues placed forward as reasons for using this timer. Create a lottery, plot goes up people come to plot select "purchase" and they are placed into a pool to be drawn at a time CLEARLY STATED on the prompt, when the drawing happens the player is sent an in-game message or flag and they have 5 minutes to respond with their payment. If 5 minutes passes another name is drawn. Simple and to the point. All of the appropriate checks can be made prior to being allowed into the pool.

And that would probably create many opportunities for people to get harassed after winning it, as I don't imagine that'd go well for the winner after getting the house... especially if you have a legitimate FC vying for the property.

[PennyStormfire]

And that would probably create many opportunities for people to get harassed after winning it, as I don't imagine that'd go well for the winner after getting the house... especially if you have a legitimate FC vying for the property.

How would anyone know who won? Unless someone announces publicly that they won. In that case any response they received would be considered "solicited". The current system allows for exactly the same outcomes. The only difference is that there isn't a group of people standing around the placard.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

I am so tired of hearing all of the apologists for this insanity. We have all heard ad-nauseum what the rational for having the timer is. Regardless of how many reasons SE gives for this idea it is still a completely unnecessary and cruel mechanic. There is a very simple solution to this which satisfies all of the issues placed forward as reasons for using this timer. Create a lottery, plot goes up people come to plot select "purchase" and they are placed into a pool to be drawn at a time CLEARLY STATED on the prompt, when the drawing happens the player is sent an in-game message or flag and they have 5 minutes to respond with their payment. If 5 minutes passes another name is drawn. Simple and to the point. All of the appropriate checks can be made prior to being allowed into the pool.

I can just see people standing around waiting for a winner to be announced only to find out that someone has relocated to the plot and that the time of the lottery at the plot that opened up is TBD.

Like I said in my other post. Supply is the issue. NO system is going to be satisfactory to the people who don't end up with a house.

[PennyStormfire]

I can just see people standing around waiting for a winner to be announced only to find out that someone has relocated to the plot and that the time of the lottery at the plot that opened up is TBD.

Like I said in my other post. Supply is the issue. NO system is going to be satisfactory to the people who don't end up with a house.

One of the most insidious aspects of this is being forced to stand around the placard and click for hours on end. There is no current provision to stop someone from relocating now, regardless of how many people are there or for how long. Another simple solution is to send a flag stating the plot is no longer available.

[KadaRemnant]

As far as the new system compared to the old one, both have their issues. But for me it comes down to which one gives the most people a fair chance at a house.

Out of every 100 houses sold, which system allows more players to get a house fairly.

Under the current system everyone has the same chance, and all 100 houses would be legitimate/fair sales with everyone having the same chance, playing by the same rules. People may not like the rules, but they're the same for everyone.

Under the old system this was not the case. Two players would get together, set a price, one would relinquish and the other would buy. The house would never hit the market. So, while there were times when the current owner did things legitimately and just walked away from their house allowing someone else to see it and buy it. That was not the case for a large number of houses. So out of every 100 houses that were sold under the old system how many gave every player an equal chance? Half, maybe? That may be being generous depending on the server.

Supply is issue.

Tell me, did they added a rng timer for all the new wards added huh? Did everyone have to wait hours to get a house? No they bought it and didn't have to wait. Don't tell me it is fair. Before it was much better, you didn't have to wait. I don't care about house selling, what SE is doing is inhuman and cruel and anyone agreeing either have a house already or are masochist.

[KadaRemnant]

I can just see people standing around waiting for a winner to be announced only to find out that someone has relocated to the plot and that the time of the lottery at the plot that opened up is TBD.

Like I said in my other post. Supply is the issue. NO system is going to be satisfactory to the people who don't end up with a house.

The issue here is using a rng system thst is inhuman and cruel and send a really bad message. If they do this now, they might do it for other things. The priority now is not letting people have to stand there for 24 hours. It's not normal and not human to do that. Are people that selfish and don't care about others? Just because people have a house already does not give them the right to say it is right.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

Tell me, did they added a rng timer for all the new wards added huh? Did everyone have to wait hours to get a house? No they bought it and didn't have to wait. Don't tell me it is fair. Before it was much better, you didn't have to wait. I don't care about house selling, what SE is doing is inhuman and cruel and anyone agreeing either have a house already or are masochist.

You're just proving my point. Supply is the issue. You add more supply more people get houses. If they had enough houses for everyone we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But that's not what we're talking about here. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're taking about what system should be used when someone who owns a house relinquishes it. No one owned the houses that were added with the new wards so obviously no circumventing the normal buying process with a player to player deal was possible. We're talking about situations when all the added houses have been purchased and someone gives their house up. How do you give the most people a chance at the house. That's what we're talking about.

No system is going to be fair to people who cannot get a house using it, that's just the long and short of it. Changing it will just bring new problems and complaints. You're just spinning your wheels will avoiding the actual issue, which is supply.

[KadaRemnant]

You're just proving my point. Supply is the issue. You add more supply more people get houses. If they had enough houses for everyone we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But that's not what we're talking about here. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're taking about what system should be used when someone who owns a house relinquishes it. No one owned the houses that were added with the new wards so obviously no circumventing the normal buying process with a player to player deal was possible. We're talking about situations when all the added houses have been purchased and someone gives their house up. How do you give the most people a chance at the house. That's what we're talking about.

No system is going to be fair to people who cannot get a house using it, that's just the long and short of it. Changing it will just bring new problems and complaints. You're just spinning your wheels will avoiding the actual issue, which is supply.

The top issue is about the rng timer is. 24 hours standing is the real issue.

[Penthea]

The top issue is about the rng timer is. 24 hours standing is the real issue.

How do you not realise that there would be no need for demolition and no need for placard timers if the game had enough or unlimited houses?

Seriously this thing that is making you tear your hair out with frustration exists because of a lack of houses. Literally every issue with acquisition and ownership can be traced back to a lack of houses. Everything else is just a symptom of that one problem.