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  1. #11
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    KadaRemnant's Avatar
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    Kira Ayakima
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    Quote Originally Posted by spf1200 View Post
    SE is aware of the problem. All the threads do nothing. They aren't suddenly going to change course just because someone made another thread. All these threads are doing good s spread the discussion thin and burying threads about other topics. They help no one in any way and just hurt the forums.
    Then we keep making them and overflow the forums because we won't give up because everyone deserve a house. They can ignore and don't cafe, if 1000000000 threads can wake them up, we will. I'm tired to be punished while i pay.
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  2. #12
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    Emily Kamba
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    Naw, they are aware of the issue. They just don't care to invest the funds. Also, the asian player base is fine with the existing housing system to my knowledge. It's really only us in the West who find it to be a steaming, festering trash heap.

    I don't see them doing anything save for bandaid solutions anytime soon.
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  3. #13
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    Daeriion Aeradiir
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    Quote Originally Posted by KadaRemnant View Post
    Then we keep making them and overflow the forums because we won't give up because everyone deserve a house. They can ignore and don't cafe, if 1000000000 threads can wake them up, we will. I'm tired to be punished while i pay.
    While people are rightfully annoyed at this situation, you're hurting no one but the forum-goers by thinking that spamming the forums with housing threads would do anything other than make sure the devs ignore the forums even harder. If you want the devs to have even the slightest desire of taking feedback on the EN forums seriously, it needs to be condensed into easily readable mega-threads filled with constructive criticism, not spread ultra thin across a thousand topics of people just angrily shouting into the air demanding immediate fixes which will 100000000% get all that ignored. If they read anyone's feedback, it certainly wont be from the 1000 bickering topics.

    They're well aware of housing shortages.
    They're well aware of people's anger.
    But reality check: it takes money, time, and skilled programmers to fix these issues. Most importantly, they have tight deadlines to meet, in which that money, time and programmers have to be working on the bulk patch content like MSQ, raids, instances, etc, so they likely don't have much time to work on side-stuff between deadlines. Raging at them and spamming their forums will accomplish literally nothing; either vote with your wallet or listen to Yoshi-P's advice on how the devs want people to use the forums and condense information while being constructive and not unconstructive bickering.
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    Last edited by Daeriion_Aeradiir; 10-14-2020 at 06:42 AM.

  4. #14
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Maybe they could at least move the threads to the Housing forum.
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  5. #15
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    Kira Ayakima
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir View Post
    While people are rightfully annoyed at this situation, you're hurting no one but the forum-goers by thinking that spamming the forums with housing threads would do anything other than make sure the devs ignore the forums even harder. If you want the devs to have even the slightest desire of taking feedback on the EN forums seriously, it needs to be condensed into easily readable mega-threads filled with constructive criticism, not spread ultra thin across a thousand topics of people just angrily shouting into the air demanding immediate fixes which will 100000000% get all that ignored.

    They're well aware of housing shortages.
    They're well aware of people's anger.
    But reality check: it takes money, time, and skilled programmers to fix these issues. Most importantly, they have tight deadlines to meet, in which that money, time and programmers have to be working on the bulk patch content like MSQ, raids, instances, etc, so they likely don't have much time to work on side-stuff between deadlines. Raging at them and spamming their forums will accomplish literally nothing; either vote with your wallet or listen to Yoshi-P's advice on how the devs want people to use the forums and condense information while being constructive and not unconstructive bickering.
    Money that come from me and many others who can never get a house. We have every right to be not happy at a system that makes you wait for hours and yoshi p saying that if the player base is not happy, you're doing it wrong but don't do anything. I feel punished because i wasn't lucky enough. I don't care of the reasons, it's unacceptable and i'm being polite too.
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  6. #16
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Maybe they could at least move the threads to the Housing forum.
    They are, and they're even locking them lol.

    Perhaps they can begin to merge threads, if they are looking for that behavior of single thread issues. Although it would also kind of foster that feeling that 'they don't listen' if there are super massive mega threads with everyone largely agreeing . . so. . win some and lose some as with everything.

    It would be an interesting culture shift to see, if they start saying we need to organize ourselves into a single thread. Probably promote more smaller feedback, good and bad I guess. Nice if OP starts off things well, kind of awful if the first post is no good though lol (could paint and regularly derail the thread, and less great if OP never updates if something pertinent changed in game).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 10-14-2020 at 06:52 AM.

  7. #17
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Quote Originally Posted by spf1200 View Post
    Making 20+ thread complaining about housing isn't going to do you guys any good. The devs have said time and time again to keep things to 1 or 2 threads so it is easier for them to find and look through. As it stands right now all these threads are going to get buried and forgotten and a few days.
    I am getting so sick of people on the forums that keep getting really angy about necro threads this, and put all in the same thread that. No single person owns an entire topic. Let there be a few different threads a topic at least.
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  8. #18
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    Xant'cha Argoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    I am getting so sick of people on the forums that keep getting really angy about necro threads this, and put all in the same thread that. No single person owns an entire topic. Let there be a few different threads a topic at least.
    When I made this thread the ENTIRE first page was nothing but complaining about housing. People can make threads on the topics they want, but they should check if the topic is on the front page and post in that thread iif it's there. Making a new thread is just adding to the bloat for no reason and having the same thread 20+ times isn't going to get anyone anywhere.
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  9. #19
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    I am getting so sick of people on the forums that keep getting really angy about necro threads this, and put all in the same thread that. No single person owns an entire topic. Let there be a few different threads a topic at least.
    Making a thread doesn't mean someone owns a topic.

    If there are multiple threads on the same topic, you end up with a few problems - the feedback spread out so its harder for players to state which opinions they agree or disagree with before adding their own thoughts, the same poster repeating their comments in every thread because they think that's the only way to be heard, and posters trying to keep discussion constructive with information having to repeat themselves over and over in each thread. You also make it harder for readers to find all the threads on the topic to get information.

    Let there be a single thread. It doesn't matter who started it, they don't own the discussion. Even better if a CM or even dev starts the topic because that acts like a magnet in forums because when a CM starts a thread, players feel like they'll be getting heard. Instead of locking threads, delete the posts that break the forum rules or stray too far from the topic. It might mean more work temporarily for the mods but it will promote more constructive discussion in the long run.
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  10. #20
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    Edge Faire
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    "Keep it all in one thread"

    Not happening.
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