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    The idea that you "own your thread" is a mindset that contributes to the forum not working well. It's a cyclical thing that your thread starts off by expressing your own opinion front-and-centre in the title and introduction, and it steers the course of debate - the thread exists to discuss your opinion on the subject, not the subject as a whole. The main page of the forum ends up looking more like the discussion that should be taking place within a single thread, but it's disjointed and won't stay together over time so it can't easily be reviewed.

    An all-opinions focus thread isn't going to form in this situation, at least without the mods working on merging and deleting threads. And which of these "individual post-threads" deserves to get upheld over the others?

    Imagine if, instead of all these individual thoughts, the first person wanting to discuss the issue makes a thread with a neutral(ish) title: "October 2020 Housing War Feedback". Instead of each other person starting their own thread for their opinion, they make it as a post within that thread. They do own their individual post, but the thread itself has been made "for everyone" - it's not an opinion but a container for everyone's opinions.

    It all starts from a different mindset approach to the forum - a shared space for everyone where the thread will be an ongoing public discussion on an issue, so opening posts are constructed accordingly.
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    Recent events on the forum also suggest that there might be some sort of breakdown between forum mod actions and what is actually ideal for the community. Is the locking of long constructive threads* how the forum should be operating, or is it moderation on par with punishing the people the tried to drown out a hateful thread instead of the poster being hateful, or letting an obvious troll continue to disrupt the forum for weeks when the rules and guidelines could easily be applied to stop him?

    Since these things have happened, I can only wonder what else is going on behind the scenes and where there might be a breakdown of communication between the forum mods and the best interests of the company they work for or the community they support. Could the devs be unaware that the feedback threads are being shut down?


    * assuming the threads were constructive - I'm not familiar with the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    The idea that you "own your thread" is a mindset that contributes to the forum not working well. It's a cyclical thing that your thread starts off by expressing your own opinion front-and-centre in the title and introduction, and it steers the course of debate; the thread exists to discuss your opinion on the subject, not the subject as a whole. The main page of the forum ends up looking more like the discussion that should be taking place within a single thread, but it's disjointed and won't stay together over time so it can't easily be reviewed.

    An all-opinions focus thread isn't going to form in this situation, at least without the mods working on merging and deleting threads. And which of these "individual post-threads" deserves to get upheld over the others?

    Imagine if, instead of all these individual thoughts, the first person wanting to discuss the issue makes a thread with a neutral(ish) title: "October 2020 Housing War Feedback". Instead of each other person starting their own thread for their opinion, they make it as a post within that thread. They do own their individual post, but the thread itself has been made "for everyone" - it's not an opinion but a container for everyone's opinions.

    It all starts from a different mindset approach to the forum - a shared space for everyone where the thread will be an ongoing public discussion on an issue, so opening posts are constructed accordingly.
    The problem with mega threads is they can go off topic REALLY easily. And with little to no moderator support / actions in these forums it gets bad really quick.

    Just look at our resident Necromancer troll as a case study.

    Been here for months, nothing done about them.
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    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Greetings Everyone!

    We are informing you that we will be closing this thread, and all your comments are thoroughly being reviewed. We appreciate your support in regards to this concern! Thank you again for posting and have a wonderful day!
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