Nope you didn't add enough plots SE...

[LaylaTsarra]

Was not my reply, it is the same thing that people who is or have been grandfathered am doing... blocking up plots with multiple houses, they should never had done that, and FFXIV is not some small niche MMO anymore either for it having room for that, it is unfair to other players that they can not get a house because someone own an entire ward or +1-2 plots.

No one is arguing about FC''s owning an entire ward. The singling out of grandfathering is wrong and debating that further with you is pointless. Asking them to give up their houses and all the hundreds of furniture items not to mention all the time to craft and acquire them is certainly unfair. They broke no rules and did simply what they were permitted to do at the time. Had alts been able to share a house (and they still can't) they'd probably never have bought them. SE made their decision and they won't be changing their mind and I don't find it unfair in the least. We've more than made our views known on the subject.

Fixing loopholes is another story when it comes to FC's and I don't think we disagree there. The owning of multiple FC's in my opinion is something new although I could be wrong. That started after the implementation of 4.2 and the restricting of private purchases to one per account and the implementation of the timer. At least I never heard of it as an issue before then. With respect to those multiple FC purchases I doubt it's an issue of trying to share a house with an alt but instead to try and either flip it for sale or gain access to multiple workshops for subs/airships and gardening for profit.

The workshop issue can be easily addressed in my view although I'm not a developer by decoupling workshops from FC and putting them at Grand Company as well. Gardening is another issue entirely because the dev team seems to have a problem with placing those in instanced areas like apartments.

[BigBossCL]

No it's not abusive. You're being abusive for trying to take something away from someone who did nothing wrong and simply did what they were permitted to do at the time. Sorry SE and the development team DO NOT agree with you and rightfully so. They changed the rules and now buying more than one personal house is not possible on that same server. Perhaps those should have been the rules from the very beginning but they weren't.

Grandfathering affects personal housing and not free companies and affects a very small portion of the community who own more than one personal house. They need to address the FC loophole and hopefully the'll do that before Ishgard opens to the community.

I mean, its not abusive, but it is sort of sleazy.

We have a housing crisis in the game atm. People are standing at placards clicking for hours on-end for the "chance" to get a house. I know if I owned an entire housing ward, I'd demo houses to help. There's nothing wrong "legally", but morally its pretty questionable. Its very "I got mine, good luck everybody else.", and in a way its detrimental to the MMO, as those are houses and wards that could've gone to newer players. Instead we basically have a 4-year wait on experiencing one of the cooler aspects of the game, or you get the shoebox apartment for the beta experience.

Instanced housing would solve things for quite a few people who just want a cool place to decorate. Many don't care about a "neighborhood" experience. They just want to be able to have a big home and to decorate and make their own and invite people over to see. Same with FC's. My FC doesn't really care about the neighborhood, we just want a Large plot. Let us have an instanced plot, and whoever wants our tiny ward-plot can have it. That's another free spot.

There are so many things wrong with the housing system, it really wasn't thought out properly to begin with, and its been dealing with that lack of planning since it launched.

[NanaWiloh]

Op seems to be a real bread winner.

[Themarvin]

No one is arguing about FC''s owning an entire ward. The singling out of grandfathering is wrong and debating that further with you is pointless. Asking them to give up their houses and all the hundreds of furniture items not to mention all the time to craft and acquire them is certainly unfair. They broke no rules and did simply what they were permitted to do at the time. Had alts been able to share a house (and they still can't) they'd probably never have bought them. SE made their decision and they won't be changing their mind and I don't find it unfair in the least. We've more than made our views known on the subject.

Fixing loopholes is another story when it comes to FC's and I don't think we disagree there. The owning of multiple FC's in my opinion is something new although I could be wrong. That started after the implementation of 4.2 and the restricting of private purchases to one per account and the implementation of the timer. At least I never heard of it as an issue before then. With respect to those multiple FC purchases I doubt it's an issue of trying to share a house with an alt but instead to try and either flip it for sale or gain access to multiple workshops for subs/airships and gardening for profit.

The workshop issue can be easily addressed in my view although I'm not a developer by decoupling workshops from FC and putting them at Grand Company as well. Gardening is another issue entirely because the dev team seems to have a problem with placing those in instanced areas like apartments.

I put Grandfathering and multiple FC houses into the same boat, it should be fixed, or hot fixed, and of course re-imbursed the materials used for all the items made... and those plots/furniture bought with gil re-imbursed.

This is more about that everyone should be equal to each other, and as it is unilkely that SE would give all players the same amount of houses as the record grandfathered in number of property of people, then there can be only one way to deal with the issue.

You never answered, when multiple times by many have been asked the question, do you find it ok for some to be more equal than others by having this thing?

[LaylaTsarra]

I put Grandfathering and multiple FC houses into the same boat, it should be fixed, or hot fixed, and of course re-imbursed the materials used for all the items made... and those plots/furniture bought with gil re-imbursed.

Your boat has leaks in it. Let me know when you see the changes in the patch notes in upcoming patches cause it's not going to happen. Grandfathering is here to stay.

And yes I find it just fine that some people have more than one personal house. They were allowed to buy them for their alts and they did. Those rules were changed to one per account per server and personally I find that fine too. I don't find it ok however that alts still can't share a mains house and that issue needs to be addressed by the development team. Pretty simple really.

Relative to FC's I think clearly the intent on the part of the development team with 4.2 was to have only one FC house per account per server. Some found a way to cheat the system and I personally would like to see a fix to that abuse hopefully with the release of Ishgard housing if not before.

And answer the question here.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5438275

[Eoko]

Grandfathering is not going to end. This we know for sure. Just like in law, a person is accountable for their actions under the law at the time, not the law of today. It was within the ToS for people to own multiple houses once upon a time. Hell, I did. My main who was a crafter/gatherer and could easily make items and decorate his home had a Small in The Mists. My second main ended up plotting with a friend to buy two mediums close to each other. We planned our routes, got ready, got up flipping eeeearly, and we both got the houses we wanted. Some time goes by, the friend leaves, and the medium house doesn't really get touched. It's after the change to housing and if I give up the medium house that character cannot get another, and I did buy USD outdoor items for her.

I decide to let that house go, reclaim what I could, and give the money to my main with the Small so he could relocate to a Medium. I had two houses and I gave one up because I wanted to move and because I didn't want to hold onto something I was doing nothing with. I have an apartment on the secondary main, and that is at least decorated now.

Honestly, when it comes to grandfathering we are just going to have to wait for people to get bored of keeping up with multiple houses, or for demolition to come back and people will inevitably leave, or forget to enter their house, or what-have-you. The present system isn't ideal at all, but we can be almost certain they will never chose to remove grandfathering and forcing people to give up something they were allowed to have when they got it. Arguing to remove grandfathering will ultimately be futile.

And, even though I really only back completely instanced housing/plots, it's likely that too will be futile. It's far more likely that they will just keep throwing bandaid over bandaid over bandaid until it's cost effective to host more wards through technological advance. Definitely not ideal, but also doesn't require any actual changes to the system. Just needs time.

It's also pretty much guaranteed that 6.0 will bring with it Ishgard housing, which will be a massive injection of available housing. Will it be enough for everyone to get a house somewhere that wants one? Who knows. We will have to see what the numbers look like after release. If they all fill up in a week then clearly we're as screwed then as we are now and SE will probably cry into their hands and curse housing and what they did with it.

Based on the fact that all of 5.X has this story about rebuilding an Ishgard housing district, the chances of them even considering a change to the system in any significant way is basically abysmal. I think, even if they were considering changes, or even additions, to housing, that they are not going to do anything until the Ishgard housing release and seeing where the number are at that point. Hell, maybe they will released instanced plots as an apartment+ option along with 6.0. Who knows.

But if we want to be at all productive with the housing as we have it now, I do think the focus needs to be on things we see within the existing system; FC ownership loophole, alts getting access to house owned by main on the server, priority preference to FC versus personal ownership, relocation, timer, etc. Based on the roadmap for housing that we can gleam from plot and what announcements we get, arguing about other factors seems to be a needless strain on emotions and energy.

[Kewitt]

Within the min of logging, Balmung 1,011 login queue.

720 plots, just not enough.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Sounds like a Balmung issue to me. And even if it wasn't, can you prove all these 1000+ players are rushing to plots and not do Bozja instead?

[Listrella]

this whole thing is madness, i'm just going to wait until they put timers back on housing plots and maybe grab a plot when it expires.

[yoshikwalla]

So tired of this POS housing system.

FIXING THE HOUSING SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE A MAIN FEATURE OF 6.0. Y'all fixed crafting and gathering, fixed Realm Reborn, now fix this.