Nope you didn't add enough plots SE...

[Moonlite]

they will be adding more housing it's just covid threw a wrench into the works.

Honest question. Do you believe that the new servers will actually fix the housing problem? It seems to be an explanation trotted out a lot. I haven't seen a census of players at 80 per server lately. But in the past the number of plots no where matched the SEs acceptable population on a server. That doesn't include free companies.



This housing release feels kind of tame because lots of people didn't even try.



On a housing side note. Has their been any discussion about making retainers and MB for the whole data center? Just feel if they could pass that hurdle they could remove the wards from the world and make the wards there own world. They wouldn't have to worry about world stability as they are open zones attached to each world. It would also allow them to move on from the excuse each server needs exact same houses. And Once housing world one was full. They could just add housing world two. This only works though if retainers and MB are cross server. Am i missing anything else besides those two attached to houses that would need to be cross world?

[Arielen]

Honest question. Do you believe that the new servers will actually fix the housing problem? It seems to be an explanation trotted out a lot. I haven't seen a census of players at 80 per server lately. But in the past the number of plots no where matched the SEs acceptable population on a server. That doesn't include free companies.



This housing release feels kind of tame because lots of people didn't even try.



On a housing side note. Has their been any discussion about making retainers and MB for the whole data center? Just feel if they could pass that hurdle they could remove the wards from the world and make the wards there own world. They wouldn't have to worry about world stability as they are open zones attached to each world. It would also allow them to move on from the excuse each server needs exact same houses. And Once housing world one was full. They could just add housing world two. This only works though if retainers and MB are cross server. Am i missing anything else besides those two attached to houses that would need to be cross world?

https://ffxivcensus.com/ active characters shows how many have completed the 5.0 story quest as of April and it's as close as we've got

I think new actual servers (not housing wards) would definitely alleviate the housing issue a bit, provided people are willing to move. Spriggan and Twintania only recently ran out of plots with ~7k players on them. All the other NA and EU realms have 10k+ characters on them that have finished 5.0. JPs housing problem is bad (no plots available) but it's not as severe as the NA/EU one because there are 32 JP servers vs 24 NA and 12 EU servers.

Alternatively, if we do get Ishgard housing, only a few more wards would be needed even for the largest servers in the game to have their demand pretty much covered for.

[Moonlite]

https://ffxivcensus.com/ active characters shows how many have completed the 5.0 story quest as of April and it's as close as we've got

I think new actual servers (not housing wards) would definitely alleviate the housing issue a bit, provided people are willing to move. Spriggan and Twintania only recently ran out of plots with ~7k players on them. All the other NA and EU realms have 10k+ characters on them that have finished 5.0. JPs housing problem is bad (no plots available) but it's not as severe as the NA/EU one because there are 32 JP servers vs 24 NA and 12 EU servers.

Alternatively, if we do get Ishgard housing, only a few more wards would be needed even for the largest servers in the game to have their demand pretty much covered for.

I actually meant whole world/server is housing wards and you move to your world from there. That way when it got full they could just create another, assuming they want to spend money on players to make the playing experience better. I do understand that the game is not designed quite right for this, right now.


The idea that ishgard and new wards before 6.0 would reach houses=number of players is great news. It would also be great if SE manually reviewed houses on accounts and took some action. Also we have FC points a maintenance tax for FCs should be looked into. Not something crazy but something a few people playing casually a week could manage. Or one dedicated person could manage themselves. SE has already went back on a few things for housing already, so these aren't to big. Once it has become stable with some smalls readily available for a few patches they could remove it.

[Vickii]

There is something very wrong with the content if you can be denied access due to needing to do a completely normal bodily function like going to the toilet.

And please no one compare this to missing a duty finder queue pop due to being afk in the bathroom. You can queue again when you get back and you'll have the queue pop again usually within a half hour. Absolutely not comparable to spamming a placard for several hours, or waiting several weeks to even get the chance to spam click.

Yes it happened to my friend yesterday. He waited 8 hours, went to the bathroom for 10 minutes and lost the plot.

I waited 11 hours, went to bathroom for 5 minutes and plot was ready when I got back and could easily have been sniped but luckily wasn’t.

People say this is horror stories but literally happened to two friends in same day, so it’s not unrealistic. If the plot is highly contested you literally could lose up to 23 hours of your time because you need to go.

[EaMett]

I have a house, I put effort in too.

You are defending waiting up to 24 hours in a video game doing nothing but sitting by a sign, with the potential of someone else coming in at the 23rd hour and getting a lucky click.

This is an example of playing housing wrong. You get very little benefit from camping extended periods. Just house hunt for an hour a day or something. You’ll enjoy the game way more, wont be frustrated, and will get a house in the end.

[EaMett]

This one so much. My FC mate was trying to just get a plot that was up all weekend before the rush, and it eventually got sold while everyone was offline/couldnt wait for days/week for it to be available. Patch happens, we did get a small house, but due to the server congestion at log in. All larges were gone within minutes Personally I see nothing wrong with instance housing for individuals or FC or both. If I had my pick though, id go for FC instances due to several factors: theres more for an FC riding on whether they have a house or not, it means doing airships or not at all. Or creating actions that are FC specific with the wheel or not at all. Honestly its those two things, plus FC houses allow the members to at least get a room they can decorate, if they dont have millions for a house or an apartment. Still on the camp for instance housing in general, the whole neighborhood feel loses its luster for me over what benefits and instance could proovide if SE looked at it seriously and took ideas from other games(like gathering nodes in back yard, etc)

That’s why new wards are typically reserved for fc first. This patch was different because SE we’re making up for the lack of demo timers. So they allowed everyone to participate.

[ADVSS]

That’s why new wards are typically reserved for fc first. This patch was different because SE we’re making up for the lack of demo timers. So they allowed everyone to participate.

We did get a small plot, but the fact he was trying all weekend to get an open plot, maybe to relocate or something, was absurd. Plus the rush at server open. 7 hours to 7 days seems a bit extreme honestly. At least before you could find someone willing to sell a plot, for whatever reason, and just pay the extra and get it. This might prevent flippers, but what would do that one better is limiting houses per server per account, honestly.

[Elamys]

That’s why new wards are typically reserved for fc first. This patch was different because SE we’re making up for the lack of demo timers. So they allowed everyone to participate.

This is not likely the case, as they did ward releases prior to this that were also open to everyone. What probably happened was that they did the 2 that were for FCs only, realized that the demand was higher for personals leaving the new wards to be barren for several weeks, and decided not to do the restrictions this time. Not to "make up" for the lack of demo timers, although that may have been a factor. But really, we're just guessing.

This is an example of playing housing wrong. You get very little benefit from camping extended periods. Just house hunt for an hour a day or something. You’ll enjoy the game way more, wont be frustrated, and will get a house in the end.

There is absolutely zero promise that this method will work and it will in fact not work at all on any server with a moderate amount of competition or where plots open infrequently.

[EaMett]

There is absolutely zero promise that this method will work and it will in fact not work at all on any server with a moderate amount of competition or where plots open infrequently.

There absolutely is. Not only is there but it's even a strategy that has a better return if you're on a high competition server. The more people crowd around a single plot the better a strategy this becomes.
This strategy comes with the caveat that it will statistically take about 10% more camping time, ie a 10h single sitting camp = 1h camping/day for 11 days. But you can further reduce that 10% with a variety of other strategies. Some of which aren't even available to people who camp for entire timer durations. In fact, you can technically reduce your time spent camping in HALF compared to someone who sits out the full duration of a timer.

Not only that but you greatly reduce the risk of wasting your time because of a relocation as well (a 20 fold reduction!), which opens you to farm some of the riskier plots like shirogane, and lavender beds as well (both plots you shouldn't touch with a pole if you sit through full timers, especially on a crowded server.. Which again, people don't seem to understand).

[JamieRose]

I wanted to post this in my own thread, but the mods locked it. /golfclap

I did eventually manage to get a small plot, but I had to camp plots for 12 hours. We were supposed to be able to get plots at 3am, not 3pm. Furthermore, this whole process left me feeling sick at the end of the day and it's not fair to players to put them through a process that's detrimental to their health.

Housing needs to be fixed. What's been done with it is just downright unfair. The devs need to step up and stop making excuses.