Nope you didn't add enough plots SE...

[Eriane_Elis]

FCs are glorified linkshells. They really serve no other purpose really. You can tell people in a linkshell that your official place of meeting is at the Maurader's guild in Limsa, conversely you can do the same in an FC. You can treat your private estate like an FC house, only FC members will not get their own room. Linkshells have competitions sometimes and of course hunts / treasure portals / raid recruitment etc... This isn't much different than an FC chat. The ONLY thing that an FC does that linkshells does not besides the amount of people that can be in the chat at once is the bonuses like getting 15% bonus XP. BUT you can do that without an FC using scrolls and stuff.

People want their own houses as well, they pay for the sub they should get a house with it. Final fantasy 14 is the ONLY MMORPG as far as I know that limits player housing because of the poor way they implemented it which ended up costing SE a fortune in server fees.

If you want to complain about anything, complain about the fact that after all these years, they haven't rebuilt housing from scratch. This is something they need to do but they probably won't. At the very least, they should permit us to have any sized house inside any plot. They could call it temporal space allotment or something. And give us more than 20 objects to put outside and 200 items inside because that's way too little. 30 outside, 400 inside for small houses please

/rant lol sorry about that

[Themarvin]

Grand fathering is a big issue at SE with all this, and personally I would not bother if the houses was unlimited and that if the game housing wise was actually built around player founded cities, with elected mayors, city tax and more to it and more.

Problem is it is locked down instanced system, and with it there is really no way to justify it, they should make it so alts can visit houses.

Also people horde up FC horses for re-sell in illegal ways that first involve insane amounts of gil, way much worth what the plot is worth... and that it is most likely that those funds go into RMT.

[LaylaTsarra]

Grand fathering is a big issue at SE with all this, and personally I would not bother if the houses was unlimited and that if the game housing wise was actually built around player founded cities, with elected mayors, city tax and more to it and more.

No it's not a big issue. You're trying to make it out to be one. It's not good policy to retroactively remove something from someone who did nothing wrong. They won't. They made their decision and they won't change it. They fixed private purchase and now only one personal house can be owned per server per account. Should they have done that sooner perhaps. On the other hand they fixed it so alts can't buy houses but they DID NOTHING about letting them share a mains house and that's totally unacceptable in my view.

Relative to FC abuse I can agree that needs a major fix. No one should be able to use alts to be able to buy or lead more than one FC house.

[Themarvin]

No it's not a big issue. You're trying to make it out to be one. It's not good policy to retroactively remove something from someone who did nothing wrong. They won't. They made their decision and they won't change it. They fixed private purchase and now only one personal house can be owned per server per account. Should they have done that sooner perhaps. On the other hand they fixed it so alts can't buy houses but they DID NOTHING about letting them share a mains house and that's totally unacceptable in my view.

Relative to FC abuse I can agree that needs a major fix. No one should be able to use alts to be able to buy or lead more than one FC house.

Permitting grandfathering is also abuse of the system, even though it is on the SE decission, but it is abusive against the players that can't get a house because someone has horded an entire ward, or something down those lines, it is a fact and no one can run from that fact either.

[LaylaTsarra]

Permitting grandfathering is also abuse of the system, even though it is on the SE decission, but it is abusive against the players that can't get a house because someone has horded an entire ward, or something down those lines, it is a fact and no one can run from that fact either.

No it's not abusive. You're being abusive for trying to take something away from someone who did nothing wrong and simply did what they were permitted to do at the time. Sorry SE and the development team DO NOT agree with you and rightfully so. They changed the rules and now buying more than one personal house is not possible on that same server. Perhaps those should have been the rules from the very beginning but they weren't.

Grandfathering affects personal housing and not free companies and affects a very small portion of the community who own more than one personal house. They need to address the FC loophole and hopefully the'll do that before Ishgard opens to the community.

[Aizuh]

No it's not a big issue. You're trying to make it out to be one. It's not good policy to retroactively remove something from someone who did nothing wrong.
Relative to FC abuse I can agree that needs a major fix. No one should be able to use alts to be able to buy or lead more than one FC house.

They should remove it.

[NanaWiloh]

Op seems to be a real bread winner.

[Eoko]

Grandfathering is not going to end. This we know for sure. Just like in law, a person is accountable for their actions under the law at the time, not the law of today. It was within the ToS for people to own multiple houses once upon a time. Hell, I did. My main who was a crafter/gatherer and could easily make items and decorate his home had a Small in The Mists. My second main ended up plotting with a friend to buy two mediums close to each other. We planned our routes, got ready, got up flipping eeeearly, and we both got the houses we wanted. Some time goes by, the friend leaves, and the medium house doesn't really get touched. It's after the change to housing and if I give up the medium house that character cannot get another, and I did buy USD outdoor items for her.

I decide to let that house go, reclaim what I could, and give the money to my main with the Small so he could relocate to a Medium. I had two houses and I gave one up because I wanted to move and because I didn't want to hold onto something I was doing nothing with. I have an apartment on the secondary main, and that is at least decorated now.

Honestly, when it comes to grandfathering we are just going to have to wait for people to get bored of keeping up with multiple houses, or for demolition to come back and people will inevitably leave, or forget to enter their house, or what-have-you. The present system isn't ideal at all, but we can be almost certain they will never chose to remove grandfathering and forcing people to give up something they were allowed to have when they got it. Arguing to remove grandfathering will ultimately be futile.

And, even though I really only back completely instanced housing/plots, it's likely that too will be futile. It's far more likely that they will just keep throwing bandaid over bandaid over bandaid until it's cost effective to host more wards through technological advance. Definitely not ideal, but also doesn't require any actual changes to the system. Just needs time.

It's also pretty much guaranteed that 6.0 will bring with it Ishgard housing, which will be a massive injection of available housing. Will it be enough for everyone to get a house somewhere that wants one? Who knows. We will have to see what the numbers look like after release. If they all fill up in a week then clearly we're as screwed then as we are now and SE will probably cry into their hands and curse housing and what they did with it.

Based on the fact that all of 5.X has this story about rebuilding an Ishgard housing district, the chances of them even considering a change to the system in any significant way is basically abysmal. I think, even if they were considering changes, or even additions, to housing, that they are not going to do anything until the Ishgard housing release and seeing where the number are at that point. Hell, maybe they will released instanced plots as an apartment+ option along with 6.0. Who knows.

But if we want to be at all productive with the housing as we have it now, I do think the focus needs to be on things we see within the existing system; FC ownership loophole, alts getting access to house owned by main on the server, priority preference to FC versus personal ownership, relocation, timer, etc. Based on the roadmap for housing that we can gleam from plot and what announcements we get, arguing about other factors seems to be a needless strain on emotions and energy.

[Kewitt]

Within the min of logging, Balmung 1,011 login queue.

720 plots, just not enough.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Sounds like a Balmung issue to me. And even if it wasn't, can you prove all these 1000+ players are rushing to plots and not do Bozja instead?