Nope you didn't add enough plots SE...

[Alyanna_Elingval]

Nothing wrong with removing grandfathering, people lose skills and abilities all the time as well in various classes, veteran players do not get to keep the extra skills they had from eg. 2.0.

If they fix an item ingame, then that does not mean if you already had it, you would still keep an over powered stat, that has been fixed, if given the choice to pick 1 house and 1 FC house to keep, you would just have to do so.

And finally, there is no reason to be personal.

I don't agree with this. You're not talking about streamlining a job, or removing an item evenly across every player who has it. You're talking about retroactively singling out specific players for doing something that wasn't against the rules when they did it. Are they going to give people back their gil? Compensate them for housing items they can neither sell, store or use because they don't have room in the house(s) they have left?

Imagine if players had been allowed to friend their alts and share houses with them. Then one day SE said players shouldn't be allowed to friend alts, and stopped allowing it, but grandfathered the players who had already done it. But then they change their minds and retroactively de-friended every player from their alts regardless of the issues it caused. Would that be fair?

[LaylaTsarra]

Nothing wrong with removing grandfathering, people lose skills and abilities all the time as well in various classes, veteran players do not get to keep the extra skills they had from eg. 2.0.

According to you lol. Those people did nothing wrong. They followed the rules. They invested time and effort into their houses. Some houses have over 400 pieces of furniture where exactly are they supposed to put all that if a house had to be given up? Taking them away from people who did nothing wrong and followed the rules is WRONG. Sorry but to appease your desire for a house taking something from someone who followed the rules isn't going to happen.

And I'm personal how in what way. You mean by calling you part of the take away crowd? That is exactly who you are. You're actively trying to propose that the development team remove something that people worked hard for and who broke no rules.

or like someone proposed in the JP housing forums proposed. Whenever new wards are released one ward should exclude FC access and be open to individuals. FCs still get first dibs iin the wards open to them and individuals get a chance in the one open to them.

Perhaps ONE ward could be FC but I don't particularly care for that solution. I think FC's and privates should share housing in the same areas. I would prefer to see a very limited time of exclusivity allowing FC's the opportunity to get a FC house for their members. And seriously any FC who wants a house should be able to do that with a days head start. They certainly don't need 3 months.

[LaylaTsarra]

I don't agree with this. You're not talking about streamlining a job, or removing an item evenly across every player who has it. You're talking about retroactively singling out specific players for doing something that wasn't against the rules when they did it. Are they going to give people back their gil? Compensate them for housing items they can neither sell, store or use because they don't have room in the house(s) they have left?

Imagine if players had been allowed to friend their alts and share houses with them. Then one day SE said players shouldn't be allowed to friend alts, and stopped allowing it, but grandfathered the players who had already done it. But then they change their minds and retroactively de-friended every player from their alts regardless of the issues it caused. Would that be fair?

The take away crowd doesn't care that people did nothing wrong. They simply want the houses these people purchased legally for alts who still can't share a house. They can't even teleport to a main's house where friends can do that using friend teleport let alone be able to do anything with that house after they jump through hoops to get there.

Had alts been able to share housing many who bought multiple houses would not have done so. I've actually created small FC's on other servers where my als can share the FC house along with a small group of my friends because they simply can't share a private house.

The argument is mute in my opinion because the development team has already made the decision to grandfather them and the chances of them changing their mind is extremely small in my view.

[Themarvin]

Grand fathering is a big issue at SE with all this, and personally I would not bother if the houses was unlimited and that if the game housing wise was actually built around player founded cities, with elected mayors, city tax and more to it and more.

Problem is it is locked down instanced system, and with it there is really no way to justify it, they should make it so alts can visit houses.

Also people horde up FC horses for re-sell in illegal ways that first involve insane amounts of gil, way much worth what the plot is worth... and that it is most likely that those funds go into RMT.

[LaylaTsarra]

Grand fathering is a big issue at SE with all this, and personally I would not bother if the houses was unlimited and that if the game housing wise was actually built around player founded cities, with elected mayors, city tax and more to it and more.

No it's not a big issue. You're trying to make it out to be one. It's not good policy to retroactively remove something from someone who did nothing wrong. They won't. They made their decision and they won't change it. They fixed private purchase and now only one personal house can be owned per server per account. Should they have done that sooner perhaps. On the other hand they fixed it so alts can't buy houses but they DID NOTHING about letting them share a mains house and that's totally unacceptable in my view.

Relative to FC abuse I can agree that needs a major fix. No one should be able to use alts to be able to buy or lead more than one FC house.

[Themarvin]

No it's not a big issue. You're trying to make it out to be one. It's not good policy to retroactively remove something from someone who did nothing wrong. They won't. They made their decision and they won't change it. They fixed private purchase and now only one personal house can be owned per server per account. Should they have done that sooner perhaps. On the other hand they fixed it so alts can't buy houses but they DID NOTHING about letting them share a mains house and that's totally unacceptable in my view.

Relative to FC abuse I can agree that needs a major fix. No one should be able to use alts to be able to buy or lead more than one FC house.

Permitting grandfathering is also abuse of the system, even though it is on the SE decission, but it is abusive against the players that can't get a house because someone has horded an entire ward, or something down those lines, it is a fact and no one can run from that fact either.

[LaylaTsarra]

Permitting grandfathering is also abuse of the system, even though it is on the SE decission, but it is abusive against the players that can't get a house because someone has horded an entire ward, or something down those lines, it is a fact and no one can run from that fact either.

No it's not abusive. You're being abusive for trying to take something away from someone who did nothing wrong and simply did what they were permitted to do at the time. Sorry SE and the development team DO NOT agree with you and rightfully so. They changed the rules and now buying more than one personal house is not possible on that same server. Perhaps those should have been the rules from the very beginning but they weren't.

Grandfathering affects personal housing and not free companies and affects a very small portion of the community who own more than one personal house. They need to address the FC loophole and hopefully the'll do that before Ishgard opens to the community.

[Themarvin]

No it's not abusive. You're being abusive for trying to take something away from someone who did nothing wrong and simply did what they were permitted to do at the time. Sorry SE and the development team DO NOT agree with you and rightfully so. They changed the rules and now buying more than one personal house is not possible on that same server. Perhaps those should have been the rules from the very beginning but they weren't.

Grandfathering affects personal housing and not free companies and affects a very small portion of the community who own more than one personal house. They need to address the FC loophole and hopefully the'll do that before Ishgard opens to the community.

It is the same thing, just private people has done it, and not people creating small fake FCs that never will becomeanything.

[LaylaTsarra]

It is the same thing, just private people has done it, and not people creating small fake FCs that never will becomeanything.

A small private FC isn't the problem. The problem is that people are making and owning dozens of them. One FC per account per server has to be a given and not a means of owning multiples. Decoupling workshops from FC's would do a lot to stop the creation of smaller FC's and certainly the desire to cheat the system by owning multiples given I do believe the intent by the dev team with the new rules implemented with 4.2 was to have only one per server per account.

I personally own small FC's off-server (one per server) with my alts so I can share a house with them and a small group of my friends. I don't need to have a larger FC in order for it to be a legitimate one.

[Themarvin]

A small private FC isn't the problem. The problem is that people are making and owning dozens of them. One FC per account per server has to be a given and not a means of owning multiples. Decoupling workshops from FC's would do a lot to stop the creation of smaller FC's and certainly the desire to cheat the system by owning multiples given I do believe the intent by the dev team with the new rules implemented with 4.2 was to have only one per server per account.

I personally own small FC's off-server (one per server) with my alts so I can share a house with them and a small group of my friends. I don't need to have a larger FC in order for it to be a legitimate one.

Was not my reply, it is the same thing that people who is or have been grandfathered am doing... blocking up plots with multiple houses, they should never had done that, and FFXIV is not some small niche MMO anymore either for it having room for that, it is unfair to other players that they can not get a house because someone own an entire ward or +1-2 plots.