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    DONT MIND THE UPDATES OR QOL, BUT SE IS MISSING THE MARK ON OLD CONTENT

    Hey Everyone, I hope this post finds you healthy & well.

    After watching the Live Letter 60 summaries from several streamers, I couldn't help but to think, "even though I don't play mahzhong, or the violin, or need an umbrella & the QOL changes are good, SE is missing the mark on updating forgotten content"

    BLUE MAGE
    It's great that Blue Mage will be getting level increase to 70, new spells, & ultimate but I always felt SE miss the mark by not allowing BLU to be used in POTD, Squadrons, Eureka - especially as far as solo content goes.

    SQUADRONS
    I have always enjoy squadron> I believe its a great way to level ALT; go through dungeons at your own pace with NPCs.
    SE is missing the mark by not allowing the squadrons to move up in ranks, at least up to Commander; not adding 61 - 70 dungeons; not allowing BLU to be used in squadron dungeons.

    I can't tell how many times I hit the maximum number of GC seals from all the gear I get to from sell dungeon gear; enjoy getting the weekly squadron buff which I used when traveling to different worlds.

    Again, not playing down the QOL changes or updates to other features in FFXIV but there some old contents that needs to be revisited.

    Peace out
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    Last edited by Nighthawky2010; 10-17-2020 at 09:33 AM.

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    I would also like to see an update to the Grand Companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawky2010 View Post
    SQUADRONS
    I have always enjoy squadron> I believe its a great way to level ALT; go through dungeons at your own pace with NPCs.
    SE is missing the mark by not allowing the squadrons to move up in ranks, at least up to Captain; not adding 61 - 70 dungeons; not allowing BLU to be used in squadron dungeons.

    I can't tell how many times I hit the maximum number of GC seals from all the gear I get to from sell dungeon gear; enjoy getting the weekly squadron buff which I used when traveling to different worlds.
    This is one of my little peeves. Going just that last step would be lovely.

    They've gotten better AI developed and given it to trusts. Backport that into squads and they should be able to clear more and go through stormblood. Don't just expand trusts all the way down, expand squads all the way up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    This is one of my little peeves. Going just that last step would be lovely.

    They've gotten better AI developed and given it to trusts. Backport that into squads and they should be able to clear more and go through stormblood. Don't just expand trusts all the way down, expand squads all the way up.
    I think you have more trust (heh) in the trusts system than what you should have. Trusts are NOT adaptive AIs, they're SCRIPTED AIs...Or in other words, the AI has to be tailored for each individual dungeon, Its not as simple as plugging the AI in to previous dungeons and having them tag along with the player.

    The current squadron AI isnt even truly adaptive, but its got ZERO scripted behaviour in it, which is why we have the ability to order them around, why they stand in aoes, and why the Independent, Defensive etc stances are required. Still despite all this, this dumbed down AI still needs to be tailored to each dungeon, evidenced by the fact that you can't just run them in ANY dungeon you'd like.

    That being said, i do feel like they're due for an update, if only just because they're STILL using Stormblood skills. I did a Squadron dungeons a few weeks ago for the rank up to captain and it honestly made me a little bitter that the NPCs could still use butchers block, but i couldn't. They used Ultimatum and Largesse too, even.
    Evidently those skills are still in the games files, the animations are still there....and im mad i cant use them!
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    Ah, and that explains why they said they couldn't do trust for certain too old dungeons, there's no script hooks in them to attach the scripted ai too.

    I still feel there's things they learned from setting them up that should be useful and make the squads better though, even if they can't just crib outright... I can hope at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    That being said, i do feel like they're due for an update, if only just because they're STILL using Stormblood skills. I did a Squadron dungeons a few weeks ago for the rank up to captain and it honestly made me a little bitter that the NPCs could still use butchers block, but i couldn't. They used Ultimatum and Largesse too, even.
    Evidently those skills are still in the games files, the animations are still there....and im mad i cant use them!
    At least they removed Protect from them. I really expected after I heared that they wanted to remove that skill that the new meta would be to enter a Squadron dungeon to get Protect and then leave and party up for the savage raid (at least until hotfix).
    But surprisingly SE thought about this and removed the skill from them beforehand :O

    A while ago I did some jobquest and one of the NPCs there casted a Stoneskin onto me right before the enemies died. Was a good feeling to run around with the good old Stoneskin for half an hour ^^


    And yes, please update the Squadron and fill the 60-71 gap in AI dungeons.
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    Last edited by Tint; 10-11-2020 at 11:34 PM.

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    GC squads are on hiatus for this patch series until they can figure something unique to do with them. In an earlier interview pre-shadowbringers Yoshi P said that they found that the Grand Company and Squad system was stale and too repetitive and wanted to come about a way to make it interesting and until then they won't touch it.
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    The thought of a squadron trying to do the second boss in Bardam's Mettle is absolutely hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    This is one of my little peeves. Going just that last step would be lovely.

    They've gotten better AI developed and given it to trusts. Backport that into squads and they should be able to clear more and go through stormblood. Don't just expand trusts all the way down, expand squads all the way up.
    While I don't think it'll be possible for squadrons, I suspect they'll import the trust system for at least SB dungeons. Why? Look at who we have for them. For the vast majority of story in SB, you have Alphinaud, Alisaie, Lyse, Hien, Yugiri, Gosetsu, etc. There's a large cast of characters to pull into the trust system for SB. HW...that may be difficult since we really only have Ysayle, Estinien, Alphinaud, and later Y'shtola.
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    I'd like to see the Squadrons given a little more love, a few SB dungeons at the very least. New recruits and new chemistries would also help make them more relevant. If the Trust takes over from them for the ShB dungeons onwards, I'd be happy enough with that.

    Grand Companies do feel rather forgotten. They aren't really relevant for anything besides levelling DoL/DoH (only Ishgard is better), getting some materials, a few emotes and the glams which you can only wear while affiliated to them.
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