Unreal Shiva is a failure.

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People are no longer used to having to play correctly. Even in Savage you see 6th percentile grey dps and 0 damage healers getting kills on e5-7 once others are geared enough to carry them, before Echo is even a thing. You can get surprisingly far without having to play your class correctly at all.

I'm not saying I disagree with you bit it's comments like that where I'm glad i only raid with chill friends.