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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    Not trying to mince words here, but your previous post was hoping that Gaius was a secret Ascian. Again there is no evidence of this and would contradict ARR plot.

    I'm not sure I can help make the plot more satisfying for you, but as I said above, this quest series is to humanize an otherwise murderous old foe so he can be lesser of all evils in a future non-"evil" empire.
    Uhh, no it wasn't. That is the OP's idea. I'm just hoping there's more to him and his Duskwight associate than we've been told. And more to his survival at the Praetorium too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Ftfy :P I mean, the guy got shot what, 3, 4 times? At point blank range. Whereas Yotsuyu merely got cut, not even across her very exposed throat, explained by some sorta magitek weave in her dress. And all of his bullet wounds, which caused internal bleeding that came out of his mouth, just magically healed up!
    Gosetsu's also a hulking burly warrior, with countless battles under his belt, including making it through Bardaam's Mettle solo and fighting through the Nadaam just days before. It makes slightly more sense that he could survive. And he doesn't get out unscathed, considering he can barely hold his sword afterwards. Yotsuyu's a small woman who's never seen to actually fight herself, aside from shooting people who aren't fighting back (and as Tsukuyomi, but that's outside the issue).

    But yeah, this is splitting hairs, and either of them not only surviving but getting swept away despite the Kojin looking for them is down to narrative convenience.
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    It isn't that I want some one to be an Ascian, but there definitely is in my opinion something off about the explanation given. And just seems we are at WOW levels with someone being defeated and they just come back to life. Even the "good guys" got a few instances of that too many for my tastes. But weird Ascian theories aside something does seem bizarre about it to me and could be me just wanting something a little more "deep" . Unpopular opinion tho, I honestly did not enjoy ShB. My favorite character from it was an amaro. Any how thanks for all the input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Gosetsu's also a hulking burly warrior, with countless battles under his belt, including making it through Bardaam's Mettle solo and fighting through the Nadaam just days before. It makes slightly more sense that he could survive. And he doesn't get out unscathed, considering he can barely hold his sword afterwards. Yotsuyu's a small woman who's never seen to actually fight herself, aside from shooting people who aren't fighting back (and as Tsukuyomi, but that's outside the issue).

    But yeah, this is splitting hairs, and either of them not only surviving but getting swept away despite the Kojin looking for them is down to narrative convenience.
    Idk, Gosetsu's survival takes away from "For those we have lost. For those we can yet save," theme. It would have been much more impactful if Yotsuyu survives because of Gosetsu, only to die of a mortal wound after. We could have echoed the experience and Yotsuyu could have finished her arc within the rest of the story. Then the kojin could have found them, but only have Gosetsu's body and Yotsuyu show for it.

    Anyway, maybe they have a plan for Gosetsu in another place, but those plans have yet to manifest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauteed View Post
    It isn't that I want some one to be an Ascian, but there definitely is in my opinion something off about the explanation given. And just seems we are at WOW levels with someone being defeated and they just come back to life. Even the "good guys" got a few instances of that too many for my tastes. But weird Ascian theories aside something does seem bizarre about it to me and could be me just wanting something a little more "deep" . Unpopular opinion tho, I honestly did not enjoy ShB. My favorite character from it was an amaro. Any how thanks for all the input.
    I think it was implied that Zenos is an ascian in all but name, as he has solved moving a soul from body to body. Not sure if that's supposed to be the hint on how to kill him. I don't think anyone else has reached this level of power though. Regarding Gaius, I think he is just supposed to be a tough guy that doesn't die easy.
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    Everyone thought "Nael" was dead at some point as well until we saw the back of them during a CS in the coil storyline. Don't forget who Zenos is related to and that he seems to have had the fake echo procedure done to him twice. Unless they chose to go a step further with him since he has two glowy fake echo eyes compared to Firdola's one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Gosetsu's also a hulking burly warrior, with countless battles under his belt, including making it through Bardaam's Mettle solo and fighting through the Nadaam just days before. It makes slightly more sense that he could survive. And he doesn't get out unscathed, considering he can barely hold his sword afterwards. Yotsuyu's a small woman who's never seen to actually fight herself, aside from shooting people who aren't fighting back (and as Tsukuyomi, but that's outside the issue).

    But yeah, this is splitting hairs, and either of them not only surviving but getting swept away despite the Kojin looking for them is down to narrative convenience.
    You ever seen what the bacteria from brackish water does to a gunshot wound? I could buy Gosetsu surviving multiple gunshots, but surviving multiple gangrenous gunshots? And remember, he was strong enough in the immediacy of washing up on that island to raise his scabbard/sword to fish, and then strong enough after that to build a shoddy raft of driftwood and paddle them both to Kugane.

    He really should have died, but oh well, I wasn't the scriptwriter.
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