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[Shanir]

Hey! I have another question So I have been wall to wall pulling but I find sometimes I lose aggro on the occasional enemy, why is it doing this? Should I stop and regain the aggro then continue or just leave it for the DPS to drag towards me? Also do enemies reset if you drag them too far?

[Absurdity]

Hey! I have another question So I have been wall to wall pulling but I find sometimes I lose aggro on the occasional enemy, why is it doing this? Should I stop and regain the aggro then continue or just leave it for the DPS to drag towards me? Also do enemies reset if you drag them too far?

If you consistently lose aggro on multiple mobs while doing big pulls you might have do an extra aoe before moving on. If you are losing only one mob it's most likely just a ranged dps focusing it too much and in most cases they will pull it to you so you can take it off them, if not then you might have to provoke it.

[Spartan_Aoues]

Hey! I have another question So I have been wall to wall pulling but I find sometimes I lose aggro on the occasional enemy, why is it doing this? Should I stop and regain the aggro then continue or just leave it for the DPS to drag towards me? Also do enemies reset if you drag them too far?

There are many reasons for this

1. regens: if a healer puts a regen on you and you get in range of a mob, the regen will heal you generating agro for your healer
2.dps: if you pull a mob with only 1 aoe attack, you wont generate enough agrro while you are pulling other packs, this doesnt always happen, but if it is you can use 2-3 aoes to get the aggro
3. tanks stance

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Hey! I have another question So I have been wall to wall pulling but I find sometimes I lose aggro on the occasional enemy, why is it doing this? Should I stop and regain the aggro then continue or just leave it for the DPS to drag towards me? Also do enemies reset if you drag them too far?

You should be fine with just using AoE combo spam, most of the time, let the dps/ healer bring it to you. If the dps/ healer isn't being co-operative, and it's only the one mob, just use Provoke or Shield Lob, to grab it back. If more that 1 mob you may have to go to the mobs, but experience will teach when it's worth going out of your way, and when it's not.

Yes certain dungeon packs will eventually reset if you pull them too far, but it's not that common in most dungeons. Copperbell Mines, the spriggans after riding down the first elevator, reset after crossing the bridge.

[Spartan_Aoues]

at least ur logs are good

[Spartan_Aoues]

I mean I don't hide my logs or anything, if you wanna look, you know where to find them. I am aware of playing optimally and trying to get fast clears, I do participate in some end game content.

Ya, shamefully they are better than mine. How do you get in the 90th percentile and still not know you can chain to pull in dungs. Maybe all these years of experience have made you forget what it was like to be new.

It's as much back seat gaming as you saying he should chain pulling.

I guess that is one way of interpreting it, although when you say

This is by far the worst thing you can do as a tank in a dungeon, it's just stupid and frustrates melee and casters for no reason

I don't think that is a constructive critique

generally yes u want to spam aoes until there are 2-3 mobs, at this point depending on your healer's mana just start to pull the next set of packs.

Notice how when I gave advice there was no judgment of condemnation, I didn't call op stupid or say he was a bad tank if he did so. Almost like I just wanted to give advice that he can take or leave if he wanted.

Not saying to be the best tank, just pointing out, that you should be conscious of other players, and how their jobs function, not just assume your way is correct. One of the core functions of a tank is holding mobs in place and reducing unnecessary movement, this extends to AoE situations too, not just bosses.

When I re-read my comment it reads like "This guy doesn't have to play optimally he can do this even if it's bad". What I mean when I wrote that comment was "Let him experiment when he tries this technique he will find it is better than just pulling 1 pack at a time"

The most "conscious" thing a tank can do is respect other players' time, and improve himself as a tank if he finds that this playstyle doesn't work then he doesn't have to but when it works, there is no reason not to use it.

I don't assume, this advice is based on my experience, neither did I say my way is correct I said he should experiment.

[Spartan_Aoues]

The difference with wall to the wall versus chain pulling is, with wall to wall, you pull each pack until you reach the wall (point you can no longer advance/ last pack in the corridor) then everyone unloads their AoE in a big burst and get the most out of their skills. As long as the group is good, the mobs melt.

The worst method, chain pulling, pulling a new pack while there are mobs from the previous pack still alive, everyone blows all their skills on the first set, nobody gets any respite, no HP/MP ticks, missing targets pulled out of AoE range/ casting range, and then have nothing to use on the fresh mobs that just got picked up.

Wall to wall is optimal, chain pulling is not, it serves only to be an annoyance to other party members.

Why wouldn't they get hp/mp ticks?
Why wouldn't their skill be off cd?

If you have 10 mobs in a wall-wall and can only tank 9 or its a wipe, do you tank 9 then wait for all CDs, health, and mana, before you pull the last pack?

If you cleave a 9 pack to 2-3 mobs with 10% health, does your IQ drop 10 points if you pull the last pack with 3 mobs, mind you I didn't say always do this, I said to watch healers mana. So explain to me again how optimal waiting for full mana and health for 1 pack is.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Ya, shamefully they are better than mine. How do you get in the 90th percentile and still not know you can chain to pull in dungs. Maybe all these years of experience have made you forget what it was like to be new.

Well, okay then. Maybe you're completely deluded so you result to personal attacks because you hate the fact people are telling you, your way is actually s**t.

Yes, you claiming I'm backseat gaming is hypocritical, as it is the exact same as you telling OP to try it your way, they're both backseat gaming. However you want to spin it, it is still backseat gaming.

As for you not thinking my description as not critique, I have explained many time why your method is awful. If you can't even take any points raised on board for consideration, you're beyond being able to speak to any further on this topic.

Maybe when you actually find yourself on the receiving end you might actual open up to the idea that maybe, running off to a new pack, while still got almost dead mobs from a previous pack is annoying for everyone else involved.

Also, please do not add hypothetical situations, that attempts to stack the argument in your favour, that will never actually come about in game.

[Spartan_Aoues]

Well, okay then. Maybe you're completely deluded so you result to personal attacks because you hate the fact people are telling you, your way is actually s**t.

aww shit here we go again. But ur right, ur a poop poop head.

Yes, you claiming I'm backseat gaming is hypocritical, as it is the exact same as you telling OP to try it your way, they're both backseat gaming. However you want to spin it, it is still backseat gaming.
As for you not thinking my description as not critique, I have explained many time why your method is awful. If you can't even take any points raised on board for consideration, you're beyond being able to speak to any further on this topic.

I think one of the only things we agree that this convo has long since broken down, look dude if you think its annoying to chain pull and tanks that do that are stupid then, I can't change ur mind.

Maybe when you actually find yourself on the receiving end you might actual open up to the idea that maybe, running off to a new pack, while still got almost dead mobs from a previous pack is annoying for everyone else involved.
Also, please do not add hypothetical situations, that attempts to stack the argument in your favour, that will never actually come about in game.

Why don't we take this out of the realm of theory and take it to the actual game. Lets get Op's item lvl and dung of his chooses and we can test it out our selves. If you can somehow pull faster numbers by waiting in-between pulls then I can not doing that I would gladly say it is better then chain pulling.

The rules are simple, we wanna test if it is indeed more efficent to chain pull, or not.

First for this to be an efficient test we have to have a low enough ilvl that wall to wall is out of the option, if we can wall to wall we dont need to chain pull.

Second we need to have the same stats and class, we can go with the palidin since op is currently lvling one.

Lastly we must use party finder and run the same dung maybe 5 times taking the best of the five with the strat of our chooseing

record your 5 runs and the forums will judge who is good or not.

If op isnt reading this, It doesn't have to be op, if we can get an item lvl low enough, or a dung hard enough that wall to wall is impossible from anyone that would work just as well.