Lets talk about the FFXIV player base..

[Luna-M]

Is it just me or the players here are kinda sensitive and also not that good? Been playing the game since last fall and what I am noticing is that the players playing the game are not that good and they get easily butthurt when being criticized?

There is a thin line between criticizing and straight out harassing people for bad performance. Unless you do endgame, this shouldn't matter that much as long people don't stand around and just auto-attack.

[LalaRu]

Hope OP were not seeking "performance" on PUG grops...

Then, I did see too much times that "advice" were consisting on yelling at the poor guy how "bad" he is, sometime with added hints about unstalling the game, rather than constructive hints. So, well, if the advice is quite intimidatory, I suppose the advisor hardly will get a "thank you" for it.

Then I also received rude replies to genuine advice, but hey, there is so much people around, we cannot make a couple bad guys a sample for a whole community. So far, people is nice and bad apples here and there but not so much to say the server is a nest of snakes...

[Burmecia]

Well. I try rarely to give tips to my fellow players, because I do not like unasked help myself. I'm not massive ass about that, I may tell thank you and then I ignore you, if the help indeed was not requested in any way. Simple enough, I really try to treat others like I'd like to be treated myself.

And when I come out of my shell and tell whm to go easy on hots, get told "ok boomer" or whatever, I just hit my Regen Destroyer Macro and let it go. What more can I do? The piece of advice I actually thought could be helpful for me to do opposite what I usually do has been send on it's way to big, big world. The struggling player may figures out by themselves how to react to it.

[Nethereal]

FFXIV is a unique MMORPG IMO because of the way GCDs work and the nature of oGCDs. Disclaimer: I'm not a green dps but this is the true nature of FFXIV.

There's clearing content and then there's playing the correct way(MOAR DAMAGE). Anything that results in less damage over the total time frame of the encounter is the incorrect way to play this game.
Bosses in this game have enrage timers, the goal is to out race the enrage timer, doing things counter-productive to that point is playing incorrectly. Conversely required healing is never a damage loss and can be a damage gain if you have "free healing".

In many games second made decisions largely don't impact the overall outcome of a fight because they don't work on a strict GCD system like FFXIV and clipping if any is largely irrelevant. In FFXIV clipping is literally throwing away damage in an encounter. Every time you clip you eventually reach a point where you've wasted a GCDs worth of damage if not more that is damage that you will never get back in the fight until you wipe.

How many times have you wiped at a fight at 00.01%? That's literally any single GCD from anyone. I've wiped on Alex at 00.001% because the group was fucking up and I didn't reapply over my 15 Sec Dia and instead chose to glare and missed the window by a fraction of a second.

The above is largely only relevant to end game content but pretending that people who aren't playing correctly just because they're clearing irrelevant content is setting up the player base for failure from go.
You don't have to rub it in their face but if their individual play is taking up the parties time simply because they don't know any better people who like to pretend there are more than two ways to actually play this game are a bigger problem.

The last instance I did in crystal was with me tanking The Aery as a tank who as leveled every healer to 80 I pull based on what the classes can handle and then ease up if the healer is clearly struggling. This was not one of those cases, I died a total of 6 times before getting kicked. The WHM was level 58 and had not even done his second job quest and didn't have regen unlocked. No big deal they don't need regen. Wrong. Granted even if they had it they still would've failed. They said nothing throughout the entire run even as they let me die to single pack pulls(I had to clemency to get through single pack pulls as paladin) and every boss all the way up til the final boss. Their friend talked for them the entire time and when I finally initiated the vote kick the first thing they said to me after failing themselves(took 3 Crimson Prices in the exact same spot while standing still actually afk.), and their team was and I quote "If you don't like it you can get the fuck out." Needless to say I left Crystal.

In short if after a wipe you can mathematically tell that if there was hypothetically 8 of you playing at the exact same skill level in each role and you wouldn't be able to clear the content you're doing and you have no intentions of improving, stop wasting my time.

[FeliAiko]

People will show more energy towards calling out troll posts (whether valid or not; also not saying this thread is a troll post either), yet will argue in defence of troll levels of performance in-game. If doing solo content play how you want, sure, but when you're in lvl80 group content playing like you only have a lvl5 toolkit then keep that among whatever friends you have happy to accommodate you.

[Waterscape]

Yes a lot of people in this community are actually super sensitive and bad+toxic and i see it a lot

reel exemple : doing shiva unreal with my ninja ( i'm the only melee dps of the party ) i'm the only one doing my job correctly ( rotation + mecanic ) i don't die , the whm in my party let the 2 tank die because he is too busy dpsing ( tank are failing mecanic too ) , other dps are dying at every mecanic , the other healer a ast die a lot too . At the end of the fight shiva is at 4% of her HP we just got the lb3 she is doing her last mecanic with the ice puddle and the whm ask me to do the lb ( when i need to avoid the mecanic to not die ) , so i don't do it and shiva leave at 4% of her HP for the enrage . So we wiped and they have the audacity to say in the chat " gg ninja " because i didn't do the "savior" lb3 ( useless btw because lb3 don't do 4% damage in shiva unreel and the mecanic would have killed me anyway ) So yeah they are blaming the only one who did his job when all of them where doing terrible in all the fight .

I have a lot of exemple like this when bad player are blaming other people like that in dungeon , raid24 , savage even in ultimate . It's like they think that they are doing a great job when in fact they are just getting carryed

[Darsien]

Lol all those passive aggressive smileys =) and loves <3

It's childish AF, reminds me of people in highschool when they want to look "cool" when they're anything but, hahaha. Can't help but feel amused every time I see anyone doing it :P

Regardless of what you think about my writing style and how I address people like him, point still stands: Dude is both wrong and talking about experiences he cannot possibly have, per currently publicly available information.

But hey. If we wanna talk "childish behavior," I see a lot of children enter into conversations with irrelevant, oftentimes off-topic statements that serve no purpose towards that conversation. Sure, it's cute and endearing when a child does it, because they're children. That's what they do. For an example, just spitballing here... You know, like critiquing writing styles in a conversation about player types in certain parts of a game's gameplay. Really general, every day sorta thing. Happens all the time.

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[LaughingBanana]

Regardless of what you think about my writing style and how I address people like him, point still stands: Dude is both wrong and talking about experiences he cannot possibly have, per currently publicly available information.

But hey. If we wanna talk "childish behavior," I see a lot of children enter into conversations with irrelevant, oftentimes off-topic statements that serve no purpose towards that conversation. Sure, it's cute and endearing when a child does it, because they're children. That's what they do. For an example, just spitballing here... You know, like critiquing writing styles in a conversation about player types in certain parts of a game's gameplay. Really general, every day sorta thing. Happens all the time.

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Okayyy okayy cool guy, you do you, lol.

[DynnDiablos]

I guess the rest of the world is getting along perfectly then and can handle any criticism on any and all topics.

Insert surprised Pikachu face here.

I play this game for the story and the crafting/gathering. I am free to play it as I wish. It's a GAME...it isn't that serious.

[DynnDiablos]

So they INTENTIONALLY want to play poorly? Most other games call that trolling. Are you seriously advocating for trolling, or what's your game here?




Ah, so doing absolutely nothing for half an instance is acceptable to you, huh? Hey everyone. Tell me another team game where going AFK for half of the overall time you're playing with the AFK person is acceptable.

It's not, dude. You should be ashamed. For the hypothetical Dragoon player of course. The one who totally wasn't you but was completely a made up random Dragoon. Can't kick an AFK player if you clear in the first pull and carry the AFK player. They received a reward they only half deserved. =(





Oh, dear sweet summer child, I'm fully aware you don't care about anything. In addition, bad players can't tell when they're playing with bad players because they're stuck in a feedback loop. Or so I've heard. I would NEVER criticize another player.

Also, another advantage of learning to play well and do my part: I never get told I'm playing wrong because I'm always playing right. Gee. Sounds like it'd be a blessing for... SOME players.



A simple reminder: It's a team game. As a member of a team, likely random ones, YOU, YES YOU, READER, have a RESPONSIBILITY to know what you're doing. That hypothetical Dragoon didn't, and you wanna know what happened? 3 players died at the end of the fight, an end that they never would of seen if our hypothetical Dragoon did their part. No one likes dying. They had a net negative impact on 3 players and didn't even know it. =(

Don't be like the hypothetical Dragoon. Do your part. Let the dirt tank the floor instead of your teammates.

You truly need to cure the hate in your heart. You are such an angry individual. I feel bad for anyone who ends up having to play with you.