Lets talk about the FFXIV player base..

[Lium]

I dunno. I can't think of many other games with communities that outright refuse to get better or do the minimum the game allows you to do. That sorta selfishness on FFXIV's level is a unique bar that no other team games have been able to reach thus far.

You clearly have never played SWTOR where they don't even like to group in that game, because it's been re-designed over the years as a single player game for the most part. Doing any group-based content in that game is utterly painful.

As for the topic, this is kind of funny. I just spent this past weekend playing WoW and those dungeons are sleepwalks. Bosses die in like 10 seconds, yet the chief complaint on their forums is that everyone is terrible and doesn't want to get better. So, this just seems to be the standard gripe across the entire genre.

I will say this about the FFXIV community. It's a mixed bag. It has the reputation of being one of the best in MMOs, and on the surface that's true. Everyone is very nice and welcoming. But beneath the surface there's a lot of judgmental attitudes. If you make a mistake people will silently judge you or make passive aggressive comments. Recently, however, a lot of people are being more outspoken because of the growing playerbase. The problem is they don't understand what constructive criticism actually is, and will instead resort to flaming. Which is what they do in all the other MMOs out there.

[linayar]

I will say this about the FFXIV community. It's a mixed bag. It has the reputation of being one of the best in MMOs, and on the surface that's true. Everyone is very nice and welcoming. But beneath the surface there's a lot of judgmental attitudes. If you make a mistake people will silently judge you or make passive aggressive comments.

I feel like people are mistaking "best" with "flawless."

I won't claim that FFXIV has the best MMO community because I don't like to play most MMOs so I would be ignorant of their communities, but if FFXIV indeed has garnered a reputation for being the "best," pointing out any flaw or negative aspect wouldn't really detract from the claim. So to say it's a mixed bag or that it's only "best" on the surface seems disingenuous regarding the actual claim being made or apparent reputation. People are still people, and the more of them that congregate for a long period of time, the more conflict will arise out of ideological differences.

Granted, there may be people who are overselling it and claim that it's perfect, which could easily be disproven, but that still wouldn't make it necessarily not the best either.

[Lium]

I feel like people are mistaking "best" with "flawless."

I won't claim that FFXIV has the best MMO community because I don't like to play most MMOs so I would be ignorant of their communities, but if FFXIV indeed has garnered a reputation for being the "best," pointing out any flaw or negative aspect wouldn't really detract from the claim. So to say it's a mixed bag or that it's only "best" on the surface seems disingenuous regarding the actual claim being made or apparent reputation. People are still people, and the more of them that congregate for a long period of time, the more conflict will arise out of ideological differences.

Granted, there may be people who are overselling it and claim that it's perfect, which could easily be disproven, but that still wouldn't make it necessarily not the best either.

Not THE best. One of the best. And I went back and read some of the posts in this thread, and there's one right above me that talks about that passive aggressive attitude. So, it's something that's very prevalent here. That's not a slam, it's just stating the obvious.

[linayar]

Not THE best. One of the best. And I went back and read some of the posts in this thread, and there's one right above me that talks about that passive aggressive attitude. So, it's something that's very prevalent here. That's not a slam, it's just stating the obvious.

Right, it is what it is. And with a large enough of a community, people can have varying subjective experiences with it that can outright contradict each other.