Lets talk about the FFXIV player base..

[Hazama999]

I can only speak from my experience, of course.

I don't personally talk much during roulettes, dungeons and whathaveyou... but in all 7 years of playing this game what stands out to me when it comes to negative interactions is passive-aggressiveness. It is as though passive-aggressiveness is the bread and butter of Duty Finder. It has been exceedingly rare for someone to be caustic in these instances of unpleasant player interactions. Nothing is ever really said "outright." I have hardly ever seen someone directly insult someone else during a DF run.

There are only statements with varying degrees of irony.

[Seddrinth]

[QUOTE=Hazama999;5448012]I can only speak from my experience, of course.

I don't personally talk much during roulettes, dungeons and whathaveyou... but in all 7 years of playing this game what stands out to me when it comes to negative interactions is passive-aggressiveness. It is as though passive-aggressiveness is the bread and butter of Duty Finder. It has been exceedingly rare for someone to be caustic in these instances of unpleasant player interactions. Nothing is ever really said "outright." I have hardly ever seen someone directly insult someone else during a DF run.

There are only statements with varying degrees of irony.[/QUOOTE]

That's because if you write something hostile you will get banned/suspended. So people have to express their displeasure more indirectly. Like if someone is dying to every mechanic, you can't just outright say "you suck" because u get reported so people will say something like "you're an amazing player." Or if you see someone doing 3k dps in level 80 gear, you can't say anything or you will get punished, so people will say "great job with dps!"

[linayar]

That's because if you write something hostile you will get banned/suspended. So people have to express their displeasure more indirectly. Like if someone is dying to every mechanic, you can't just outright say "you suck" because u get reported so people will say something like "you're an amazing player." Or if you see someone doing 3k dps in level 80 gear, you can't say anything or you will get punished, so people will say "great job with dps!"

It's one thing to not want to say something bad, but your examples just seem so unproductive to the point I wonder if they're real examples or just your exaggeration. If people are being told they're great when they're not, then I guess this community deserves what it gets in terms of the quality of players.

[Veis_Alveare]

It's one thing to not want to say something bad, but your examples just seem so unproductive to the point I wonder if they're real examples or just your exaggeration. If people are being told they're great when they're not, then I guess this community deserves what it gets in terms of the quality of players.

So being forced to not give any actual feedback by ridiculous ToS but occasionally getting frustrated by that and being sarcastic means that the whole game deserves to suffer.

To borrow the idea of telling that level 80 dps doing 3k how good they are - wow, you have amazing logic.

[linayar]

So being forced to not give any actual feedback by ridiculous ToS but occasionally getting frustrated by that and being sarcastic means that the whole game deserves to suffer.

To borrow the idea of telling that level 80 dps doing 3k how good they are - wow, you have amazing logic.

My logic is indeed amazing since being frustrated is no excuse to lie.

And in case you're not aware, sarcasm can be hard to tell over text.

[Penthea]

That's because if you write something hostile you will get banned/suspended. So people have to express their displeasure more indirectly. Like if someone is dying to every mechanic, you can't just outright say "you suck" because u get reported so people will say something like "you're an amazing player." Or if you see someone doing 3k dps in level 80 gear, you can't say anything or you will get punished, so people will say "great job with dps!"

Saying "you suck" in response to someone not playing well isn't helpful for anyone. People don't magically improve with only "you suck" as their guidance.

You can be more diplomatic and helpful with criticisms without getting banned. You can instead say "we need more damage on the boss" or "dodge X mechanic by doing Y". There are sometimes ways to make people aware of a situation and give advice without targeting someone specific with what you say. And if things still don't improve then you can vote to kick.

Also I have very rarely seen players being told they're great when they're not. I honestly rarely see players say anything to each other at all aside from a greeting at the beginning and a gg at the end. I legit can't remember the last time I witnessed very undeserving praise.

But I play in EU on Chaos. Maybe it's different elsewhere.