Lets talk about the FFXIV player base..

[Aurelius2625]

Man, you're barking up the wrong tree on this one lol. This player base refuses to read their tool tips and literally... if you suggest the most basic things I mean like LITERALLY BASIC AS TO DOING YOUR JOB AT A BASIC FUNCTIONAL LEVEL... such as asking for aoe in dungeons you get called elitist.

Good luck lol.

[Controller]

I'd make the debate that it's not this game's base that's soft but people ingeneral all over. Like look past this game and into the real world. Karens is a thing btw so I'mma say it's not just XIV. If anything people seem to have lost alot of grit.

but I'mma go back to watching the video of EF6 ( EAS Scenario ) The TTS is making me lol so hard.

" Jeff Jeff, we're going downstairs, we're moving downstairs. Everyone get to the basement right NOW. " " Lets go lets go, hurry... hit the deck!!!" -tornado crashes into the news station.-

[Payotz]

Is it just me or the players here are kinda sensitive and also not that good? Been playing the game since last fall and what I am noticing is that the players playing the game are not that good and they get easily butthurt when being criticized?

Yes they are, and yes they are being protected by the new ToS.
Yes, it's also the reason why there's not even a personal dps meter in the game.
And yes, there's really no reason for them to improve when the content can just be facerolled 24/7. Even the content that has a little bit of challenge gets nerfed or gets given Echo. Even now, there are a lot of people wiping to the Titania NORMAL add phase dps check EVEN WITH ECHO.

And you know what? These people are right. There's really no reason to improve at the game, cause Square Enix won't implement hard or "harder" casual content that justifies improvement at the game.

They'd rather just nerf or just add echo. Even something like TGod was nerfed cause people still wipe to it, and even then MOST of the playerbase avoid because people STILL wipe to it POST NERF WITH ECHO.

You know it's bad when even after the simplified job changes, the new jobs, and even the guides and resources available on the internet, that ARR Shiva EX was deemed "too difficult" for the playerbase by Naoki Yoshida. Which was considered the EASIEST ARR Extreme.

[Vickii]

Is it just me or the players here are kinda sensitive and also not that good? Been playing the game since last fall and what I am noticing is that the players playing the game are not that good and they get easily butthurt when being criticized? Are all of these people just new to the genre or something? I've played many mmorpg games in my life and this one got me scratching my head sometime.

I’d actually say a lot of the people that come from other games, specifically WoW are perhaps not sensitive enough.

Some online communities you see offensive things and hear offensive talk so much that you just kinda forget that it actually is offensive.

For example if you say to me FFS healer you’re so dumb move out of the f’ing fire... id say that’s not you being rude so much as you having had that told to you yourself and seen it so much that it’s just acceptable to you. The whole demographic of some communities all talk that way.

FF14 has a lot of non-gamers, and people that didn’t come from that background. There’s a lot of younger people playing and you’re more likely to get someone’s dad playing. So I tend to use the language I’d use in real life around such people.

Not saying there aren’t sensitive people. Definetly it happens, I’ve seen people overreact to things quite a bit. But yeah, this isn’t 4-Chan or WOW and that sort of behaviour doesn’t go down too well, not just in FF14 but in any social setting that’s not 4-Chan or WOW.

[Veis_Alveare]

I’d actually say a lot of the people that come from other games, specifically WoW are perhaps not sensitive enough.

Some online communities you see offensive things and hear offensive talk so much that you just kinda forget that it actually is offensive.

For example if you say to me FFS healer you’re so dumb move out of the f’ing fire... id say that’s not you being rude so much as you having had that told to you yourself and seen it so much that it’s just acceptable to you.

I think you're being incredibly hyperbolic here.

A much more apt example would be when I was helping a pair of sprouts in my FC unlock and complete the Nier raids recently. I went as a healer (both for safety and queue, they were both dps) and multiple times in a row my cohealer died to standing in the literal fire on Hobbes.

After their second death, and after I'd raised them again, I typed "fire bad" into chat.

Surprise surprise! We got a live one. They proceeded to do mostly nothing for the rest of the fight apart from say "toxic af" and /slap me (and die, of course) and then as soon as we'd rolled on loot a vote dismiss came up for me. My FC members voted no and so did enough of the party apparently because I was never kicked but like... yeah, I'm sorry, that isn't "toxic" and that guy was just oversensitive.

It's hardly his fault. It's the community that insulates these people and lets them believe even when they're literally on fire telling them to move is somehow a bad thing and also worse thing than their performance sandbagging their party.

We'll have to ignore the 4chan/WoW equivalence because there isn't time to unpack how wrong that is.

GCBTW.

[MagicAura]

After their second death, and after I'd raised them again, I typed "fire bad" into chat.

Surprise surprise! We got a live one. They proceeded to do mostly nothing for the rest of the fight apart from say "toxic af" and /slap me (and die, of course) and then as soon as we'd rolled on loot a vote dismiss came up for me. My FC members voted no and so did enough of the party apparently because I was never kicked but like... yeah, I'm sorry, that isn't "toxic" and that guy was just oversensitive.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your use of term oversensitive. There is never an excuse for attacking people over a semi-ironic comment (because granted your comment can be taken both ways even if you didn't mean it in an ironic way—you could have said "please avoid standing on the fire" for example). I would say there is never an excuse for any kind of abuse and he is clearly abusive. Being abusive is not because someone is oversensitive. There are other reasons and the situation is different.

Being oversensitive is usually something that leads people to clam down rather than lash out at others. Depending on the sensitivity people do different things but I've never met an oversensitive person lashing abusively at others when their sensitivity triggers.

[Penthea]

I’d actually say a lot of the people that come from other games, specifically WoW are perhaps not sensitive enough.

I would say this statement is both correct and very wrong. But I know what you mean.

However the reason why I would disagree is that WoW and FFXIV nurture different things in their different audiences and their server communities are managed very differently in both games. I personally have found there is just as much drama in FFXIV as there is in WoW but it they don't always manifest in the same way.

The main difference I have seen between the two games is how both audiences interact with the raiding scene. In WoW you find a lot of try-hards who so badly want to be seen as a skilled player that they even do so to the detriment of their group, whether that's in pugs or with people they know. I have seen significantly less of that in FFXIV and one of the reasons is obviously the absence of a parser. Parsers are excellent tools but a lot of people misuse them to unfairly target others or they feel it gives them an excuse to gloat. In FFXIV there certainly are try-hards but I have encountered them far less. Another reason is that WoW content is very raid-centric whereas in FFXIV it is far less so. Obviously this will attract different types of players.

However I have seen significantly more drama in FFXIV that is purely social based compared to WoW. Likely partially because the game is very attractive to casual players due to the high amount of very good casual content. These people tend to be far less competitive so obviously the drama they create would be different. In FFXIV I have seen far more drama based on a clash of personalities than I have in WoW. The other reason I think more social based drama happens in FFXIV is because the servers are not heavily segregated. In WoW you can't play on NA with an EU account and vice versa. In FFXIV you can play in NA, EU and JP regardless of which of those geographical regions you're based in. While I think this is a wonderful thing to have it does mean a clash of cultures is more likely to happen, which of course can lead to social based drama. Additionally WoW has specific language server groups whereas FFXIV divides their servers purely based on region.

Honestly I think both communities are as bad and as good as each other. It just so happens that many of the pros and cons of both groups are not the same because the playerbases of each game are not dealing with the same circumstances.

I prefer FFXIV's community to WoW's but it's because I find more like-minded people in FFXIV. Really FFXIV made me realise that WoW isn't the game for me. I enjoyed my time there but I'm far happier here than I ever was there. Others feel the opposite way due to wanting different things from their gaming experience.

That being said everything I wrote here is from the perspective of an EU player. I understand that those who play in different regions might not have had the same experiences as I have.

[Absurdity]

Not saying there aren’t sensitive people. Definetly it happens, I’ve seen people overreact to things quite a bit. But yeah, this isn’t 4-Chan or WOW and that sort of behaviour doesn’t go down too well, not just in FF14 but in any social setting that’s not 4-Chan or WOW.

I kinda feel the need to interject here. I actually recently picked up WoW again because I found myself using XIV as a glorified chat app while waiting for 5.4, might as well play a game with content that's to my liking and I have to ask, where do you find all those toxic players in WoW? I play on a pvp realm where you'd expect people to just be at each others throats all the time but in all the content I've been doing so far I've not had a single one of those encounters. Granted I'll probably find some of those once I get into higher Mythic+, simply because the space between "entry level" and "high end" is populated by players with an elitist attitude but not enough skill to back it up, those are the same type of people you'd find in this game's party finder though.

Additionally WoW has specific language server groups whereas FFXIV divides their servers purely based on region.

Not entirely true anymore, I've had spanish and portuguese servers in my DF and PF groups and I'm playing on an english server.

[Veis_Alveare]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your use of term oversensitive. There is never an excuse for attacking people over a semi-ironic comment (because granted your comment can be taken both ways even if you didn't mean it in an ironic way—you could have said "please avoid standing on the fire" for example). I would say there is never an excuse for any kind of abuse and he is clearly abusive. Being abusive is not because someone is oversensitive. There are other reasons and the situation is different.

Being oversensitive is usually something that leads people to clam down rather than lash out at others. Depending on the sensitivity people do different things but I've never met an oversensitive person lashing abusively at others when their sensitivity triggers.

I see that literally all the time.

Like, not to get too far outside the game here, oversensitive people who are offended by minor things is kind of one of the defining cultural phenomena of the past decade or so. It's only ramping up even more as time goes on. Cancel culture is a product of this.

A really great youtuber named Natalie Wynne was basically bullied off Twitter for daring to have someone people didn't like voice act in one of her videos and for some comments that, if you squint really hard and have sand in your eyes, could be seen as the tiniest bit inconsiderate towards non-binary people. Never mind that she's trans herself, or that she's done worlds of good online for trans acceptance and all that. People got a little bit offended and were breaking out the guillotines.

Offense can be sadness but petty offense is often more akin to anger. If something hits you emotionally hard enough to make you cry you might close up for a bit, but if it hits you emotionally and also not that hard it'll likely just piss you off.

Edit: Also, no one should have to tell someone (much less ask them) to not stand in fire. It's a video game. That should be clear. There's no way to turn off the effect so they had to see it, plus it had killed them previously. At that point you don't need a please you need a bucket of cold water to the face... both to wake you up and because you're literally on fire, Brenda.

[metcalta]

Forgive me for not being able to read through every post but I did feel the need to weigh in a bit. The sensitivity issue in this game is real, and I see a lot of false equivalences going on in the discussion. When it comes to this game specifically ppl can be very reluctant to accept any advice.
"Hey white mage if you could just dot mobs in here it woukd be a huge help to our group" has either been met with outright no, the person ignoring me, or a vote kick. It definitely has felt like any discussion of how someone is playing can end in a downward spiral, even with the best intentions.
That said, I feel like we as a society need to do better in operating on good-faith, and one needs to be mindful of how they offer up advice. I have a theory that because its all over text ppl interpret things negatively first. Its just a condition of twitter/Facebook. We need to be kinder to one another, and I think we all could do well with a little extra humility.