Quote Originally Posted by Caitsithhh View Post
-sigh- Tbch this all funnels back to SE. They’ve made it into law by protecting players that play subpar and well below that with their rules. That works for JP just fine since you know, they care about wasting another player’s time and how they themselves perform. For NA, it only protects the players that make the experience pretty crappy for the people that actually care.
So, what, you want SE to start banning players that fail mechanics? Give out suspensions to people who parse under 50? Literally no game ever has, or ever will, punish players who play subpar. Acting like SE is unique in this is kinda comical- they aren't protecting anyone for playing poorly, and for all the complaining about SE it never seems like anyone is actually getting banned for giving constructive advice, as every time this thread is repeated everyone talks about SE being heavy handed yet all their complaints aren't about getting banned but about some player not taking their advice well. Well, SE can't force random players to obey random other players, not sure why you'd think they could or would. What it really seems the elitist community is disappointed in is that they can't target poor players with harassment and get away with it.

Do you want it so players can tear into each other on a whim without every needing to fear action?

That's basically how WoW works- and the community is absurdly toxic at all levels, allowing negative behaviour doesn't improve the playerbase it ruins it. Oh, but it does have the trade off- yeah, pug players in WoW are just so much better for it; LFR Argus 2-4 players dying in his slow scythe swings every time even months after it releases, hitting 10 det stacks on bosses like KJ and Archimonde. Raids where I'm the literal only player out of 20 capable of doing G'huune's ball toss mechanic- where the big challenge is walking forward... no seriously, no dodging a series of one shot moves that cover 90% of the area, no getting thrown off a cliff if you happen to be standing in the wrong place- you walk forward and toss a ball, and that's way beyond the capabilities of 90% of the casual WoW players.


I want to know where players get this idea that increasing toxic BS improves a community and elevates players, cuz you don't get much more toxic than WoW and you also will never find a casual playerbase so incompetent. And for those who keep talking about a recent 'trend' in the playerbase that seems to coincide with an exodus from BfA and the arrival of a lot of players who are very, very used to playing a game where toxicity is normal or even celebrated- maybe it's time to realize that highly toxic environments where anything goes does nothing to improve the playerbase?

Thing is, you always have the ability to make your experience great- form a premade, join a discord/FC/group that focuses on clearing content well and max'ing parses. If you're joining a pug, and then shocked that it's a pug, what are you thinking? I've been playing MMOs for a decade, since I was a little kid, and I've always known that a pug has bad quality players, this is how games are. Not MMOs, not even video games- games in general, board games, sports, etc... you join a random group of people with various skill levels for any game and you're going to get some that have significant varied skill and knowledge in the game.

Are you willing to sit down with random guy, spend hours going over how to improve on skill use, etc...? Or are you just going to tell them they suck and to get better? Cuz it's generally a lot of the latter, and then some overly sensitive person coming to these forums to complain a lot because their 'advice' was ignored.

Which is the real question- why is this community so sensitive about being told off by some random person you don't care about and will never see again because they didn't take your 'advice' well?

But let's say, for a moment, that the 'sensitive' bad players of FFXIV are a genuine problem with the game. What is the solution? Complain every other week about them on the forums? That seems to be the elitist solution right now, cuz I have yet to see any actual ideas on how to improve the skill level of tens if not hundreds of thousands of players who aren't interested in min/max parsing and just consider this a game to have fun with.

If you think, honestly, that you can join a group of random people and just start telling some of them they're doing stuff wrong and they'll accept that- you're either a professional at a job where you and they are being paid and the balance of power is both clear and supported by education/experience. Or, you're delusional. Seriously, join an FC/premade, work together to get better- players that want to improve will make it clear, and if that's the only type of player you want to play with there's more than enough players like that to form groups. The presence of a large group of players who aren't serious of the game is both inevitable, and something you can mitigate with the tools you are given.