Quote Originally Posted by Eelanos View Post
I kinda feel most of the problem depends on how people communicate. It's not the same if the healer says "Wanna do a double pull?" or "You can do a big pull, I can take it" or the DPS asks "Hey, guys, do you think you can handle a bigger pull? I think we can burn them down quick." compared to someone just saying a flat "pull more" or saying "Ugh, do a bigger pull or we're gonna be here forever..." or even going ahead and pulling by themselves without the tank.

Heck, I'm not a fan of wall-to-wall pulls, but literally last night I had a healer that asked our tank "Hm... a warrior... Wanna do a big pull? Like, really big. Wall to wall."
Just that extra bit of a warning helped a lot set up the mood of the room and put the entire team on the same page.

Likewise, I used a macro with sound to warn the tank to activate tank stance this one time and he got annoyed. I could see how he could have taken the macro as "aggresive" because it felt very mechanical and had the sound attached to it, so I told him that it was okay, that I didn't mean it in a harmful way and that I knew that the macro could be seen as me being a dick. It was just a friendly warning.
Immediately after that, we were joking around and just having fun, and by the end of the dungeon he apologized to me (Which he really didn't have to) and we gave a commendation to each other.

Really, the main reason people might seem like they don't want to learn is because if you agressively pull them one way, they will agressively pull themselves to the other. What I mean by this is, if you sound harsh while giving advice, even people open to learn will refuse to be taught anything coming from a guy pointing at them with an accusing finger.
TBH this point is also amplified by your friends(echo chamber) especially in new tanks. Out of any role tank is the only role that will have someone in their premade say "they're new don't pull ahead" as if that's an excuse to not at least attempt to do your up most instead of just accepting that your friend will not succeed and making them comfortable with mediocrity of the highest degree. Honestly friends set up new tanks for failure more than any role by not teaching them failure is natural and you should pull as much as you can take not as little as allowed. The other thing people fail to make tanks understand is how their AoE works and when they should be using it over their single target combo. The struggles of tomorrow will be the struggles of today and yesterday. My first level 80 wasn't on a tank but I would hate to have single pulled all my way up to 80 only to be asked every single expert roulette/80 dungeon why I'm single pulling.

In regards to people who do ultimate content and take advice well. Most do, some don't. Most people who run ultimate don't need help with their skills or rotations but what can trigger a bad reaction is talking about how they handle/fail/deal/ or do mechanics a certain way. I've cleared TEA with a DNC who swapped to GNB and failed to provoke off his co-tank during perfect alex second tank buster 4 times, fail to shirk once, and fail to use their immunity once. All in the same exact place/time frame all 6 times and at the same time blame their co-tank for either A. Not telling them when to provoke or B. Accusing them of not having provoked after they failed to shirk and take off their tank stance. We were on enrage for about 2 weeks and one of those was a 00.01% wipe. We kicked two people from the group(the GNB and a sch who used recitation twice and did nothing with it), grabbed two more who had cleared and had another clear within 2 weeks.

Ultimate content is very unique in this game as first and foremost all the way from the beginning to end it's a test of endurance and time and your schedule. Second most a test of skill and consistency. Third most a test of character. It's only after ultimate grinds you down past those first 3 do you see what type of player you're dealing with.