Suggestion: relocation should be subject to the same timer as first time buyers.

[LaylaTsarra]

I think relocation is a good addition to the market place. People should not have to fight for a house with this silly timer more than once. Being able to upgrade from a small to medium or large or simply the location is a plus.

I think the idea of having a cool down on relocations however is a good one. Multiple relocations shouldn't be permitted in a short period of time. Perhaps a week or two cool down would be fine.

[Luna-M]

I think relocation is a good addition to the market place. People should not have to fight for a house with this silly timer more than once. Being able to upgrade from a small to medium or large or simply the location is a plus.

I think the idea of having a cool down on relocations however is a good one. Multiple relocations shouldn't be permitted in a short period of time. Perhaps a week or two cool down would be fine.

There is a cooldown, you can't do 2 relocation to close to each other. It's not very long cooldown however so increasing it might be a good idea.

[Luna-M]

Your claim is now that the number is what's wrong, and not the system that allows for abuse like it, even if the number is only 20-60 million? Am I understanding this, correctly?

No, you're twisting my words. I'm saying the "black market" or whatever you label it isn't such a big and wide issue you make it out to be.

Does it happen? Yes.
Does it happen everywhere? No.

As mentioned many times, there is servers, even to this day with empty plots weekly or bi-weekly. If housing is a big deal to you, consider transferring servers.

Or wait for oct 13 and get a house with the expansion of wards.

[8bitbort]

No, you're twisting my words. I'm saying the "black market" or whatever you label it isn't such a big and wide issue you make it out to be.

Does it happen? Yes.
Does it happen everywhere? No.

As mentioned many times, there is servers, even to this day with empty plots weekly or bi-weekly. If housing is a big deal to you, consider transferring servers.

Or wait for oct 13 and get a house with the expansion of wards.

I don't quite get why you're attempting to downplay the amount of people doing it. There's Oliver's reddit and associated discord, both with thousands of users, another discord with a fair amount of overlap, party finders for them, etc. And on just ONE of those discords, there's over 2300 hits for "Sell-Relo" and this just the ones that go "SHH NO RMT"

My problem isn't that there aren't the occasional available plot. The problem is that there is a system in place that continues to allow for transactions not desired by SE, and that shutting down the means to take advantage of those unintended markets serves to reduce the "stress" on the housing system, and increasing the overall PERCEPTION of fairness by the player base.

[Luna-M]

So what you're saying there is a minority. Just cause a search term pop often don't mean there been 2300 transactions, yes?

[8bitbort]

Does it happen everywhere? No.

There is not a single server in the NA data center that didn't have multiple hits for this one just one of those discords. It wasn't even the one with its own subreddit.

So what you're saying there is a minority. Just cause a search term pop often don't mean there been 2300 transactions, yes?

We don't not make laws to stop wrongdoing for one's committed by the majority. And given how tight the housing supply actually is, a "minority" of abusive players can and, in fact, do cause problems for the player base as a whole. Also, aren't house owners ALREADY the minority in FFXIV?

[Sshado]

If relocators were subjected to the timer then housing would get fixed.

Currently, housing owners actively work against the non-owners to prevent organized outcry over the extreme toxicity of the current housing system. SE does this on purpose because it gives them a large enough population of players to suppress the problem by telling others to "work harder". Just click for "another 24 hours" and you'll get there one day little serf!

The current design is unbelievably toxic and pits the playerbase against itself by dividing us into classes. The housing system explicitly is set up for the maximum benefit of people who already own a house at the expense of people who do not.

[MsMisato]

Relocation should be subject to a two week timer 14 days. This prevents trolls from trolling and prevents the oops I didn't mean to buy this plot tee-hee. because honestly you have to click three times to relocate. the placard, the relocation option, the confirmation window of the price of relocation.

[Katie_Kitty]

Making relocation subject to the same timer would effectively neuter the p2p economy of houses as a commodity.

No it wouldn't lol. Sell-FC would still be a thing and in fact it is the only intelligent way to purchase housing from other players. It is cheaper and more convenient and just generally better overall. You wanna eliminate player-to-player sales? Then eliminate FC Housing.

[Vickii]

I camped a house for 11 hours (and got it) today.

Am I to understand after waiting 10 hours 45 mins, someone who already had a house could just choose to move to the plot I sat waiting for and there’s nothing I could do about it?

If so that’s terrible. I’m sorry to the vets who think that’s fine but no, if you have a house already you really need to be last priority when it comes to housing. I’d personally like to see first time buyer wards.