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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    ^ that sounds more like mystic from FFT.
    Yeah I tried wrapping my head around possible ways to incorporate black and white magic into the mix, but the way FFXIV is setup it makes it almost impossible to do without making it's own spells and abilities. The problem with that is you might end up with another situation like the whole WAR/PLD debacle where RDM steals WHM or BLMs position in a group, or you make the job so under-powered in comparison nobody will want it.

    I thought the easiest way to get around the whole thing was just fit it in a role that isn't being taken at the moment and just have ways to supplement playstyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordCoheir View Post
    Yeah I tried wrapping my head around possible ways to incorporate black and white magic into the mix, but the way FFXIV is setup it makes it almost impossible to do without making it's own spells and abilities. The problem with that is you might end up with another situation like the whole WAR/PLD debacle where RDM steals WHM or BLMs position in a group, or you make the job so under-powered in comparison nobody will want it.

    I thought the easiest way to get around the whole thing was just fit it in a role that isn't being taken at the moment and just have ways to supplement playstyle.
    Well seeing as to the best of my knowledge there has only been one traditional full Fencer job in all of FF (aka Fencer in FF tactics) i would base the class abilities around that, where as the job unlock wold be more singularly focused RDM spells and abilities.

    Another branch off the Fencer class instead of RDM could be the Elementalist from FF tactics.

    The only reason i bring up FF tactics (twice) is because it has one of the widest arrays of FF jobs.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    Why are people trying to make RDM into what 11 had, RDM should not get refresh nor should they be an enfeeblist.

    I agree that summoner should not have any healing magic, give them cross class skills of a THM but not CNJ.
    This. Also yeah no thanks to SMN healing. Maybe the pet could have access to some aura PT regen thing, or the pets can nuke..idk. Just as long as the actual Summoner is not relied on as a main healer like in XI /dies
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    Hush and know your place fewl! hehehe.

    No I agree. I felt this when I played my redmage on XI...however I felt the same way with Summoner...neither better not be put in the back seat >.>; I will be pissed if they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    Why are people trying to make RDM into what 11 had, RDM should not get refresh nor should they be an enfeeblist.
    Probably because FFXI's RDM was actually a different take on what it generally was, especially in the earlier games. Why shouldn't it be an enfeeblist? Especially when SE already confirmed there will be a mage class that deals with it? Or are you in the frame of thought enfeebles should go to every mage and we have no specialists in this game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Babydoll View Post
    This. Also yeah no thanks to SMN healing. Maybe the pet could have access to some aura PT regen thing, or the pets can nuke..idk. Just as long as the actual Summoner is not relied on as a main healer like in XI /dies
    Ironically enough SMN is more like the classic style SMN these days in FFXI.
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    WHen you have Mage in the title... it would follwo the mage line of things.

    As logn as it is balanced, you can't be both a pwoerfull malee and caster at the same time. But a Caster that has to build points to cast through malee, woudl balance it out.
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    Plus, please brign in SMN. Not a buff happy one either. It kinda got ruined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazaran View Post
    Plus, please brign in SMN. Not a buff happy one either. It kinda got ruined.
    I don't think SMN was ever buff happy in any of the games. In XI it had some USEFUL buffs, but SMN is probably one of the most damaging jobs in new content outside of those who have Empyrean/Relic/Mythic weapons.

    Especially SMNs who did their trials or went after a Nirvana.
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    Definitely was in FFXI (inb4 someone tells me their 1337 rdm haxxorz melee set-up). I don't think we'll see a repeat of the same though since supposedly it's going to stem from fencer or something? Anyways I'm sure ffxiv RDM will be awesome.
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    I fear, this game will need an alternate healing class soonish though. but what...
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