How many mistakes are too many?

[Absurdity]

I mean, most high level statics/fc finished farming for gear and got their parses half a year ago. People should be able to go into a farm group and expect everyone else to be farm ready.

Maybe this is specific to the Light Datacenter but it's currently rather the opposite. Everyone who can reliably farm the content seems to be so utterly done with savage at this point that the "farm parties" you get nowadays are more like "getting stuck on phase 2 parties".


Normally yes, you would expect farm parties to actually be able to farm the content. Guess this savage tier has been going on for so long that we've come full circle and ended up with people getting stuck on Chain Lightning and E7s addphase again.

[Absurdity]

It also isn't that surprising that pugs can clear savage. The way fights are designed in this game you don't need that much communication, everyone has a few mechanics targeting them specifically and simply needs to execute those, you can't skip mechanics anymore so they always happen in the same order and most of them even target the same people. Combine that with the relatively little time you have to invest into raiding if everything goes well and you can easily clear the fight with a bunch of skilled randoms.

To add to that, actual hardcore FC will have some rediculous expectations of their members, I've heard of some checking your DPS every so ften and if you arent in their range, boop thats it for you buddy. Some people just don't have the desire to commit like that, but my PERSONAL experience is that you get leagues better playing with unpredictable randos, rather than doing content with nearly perfect players. It makes the content even more difficult, but you walk out of it much more capable, if you're trying to improve.

The people checking your dps are mostly parse groups and for those it's obvious that they'd do so since that is their party's goal, getting high dps parses/ speedkills.
Or world first statics but even there it makes sense since they go into the raid with only crafted gear and everyone needs to push their job to the limit.

Dps in your average savage party only becomes an issue if you constantly wipe to the boss' enrage even when nobody in the party dies to mechanics.

[ADVSS]

The people checking your dps are mostly parse groups and for those it's obvious that they'd do so since that is their party's goal, getting high dps parses/ speedkills.
Or world first statics but even there it makes sense since they go into the raid with only crafted gear and everyone needs to push their job to the limit.

Dps in your average savage party only becomes an issue if you constantly wipe to the boss' enrage even when nobody in the party dies to mechanics.

It wasnt a criticism or complaint about the FC doing that, if that is what they're all about that is how it is. What I meant was that some people dont have the desire to join/commit to these groups(had recruited some people in my FC who talked about these stories, when I was running an FC) if that is their forte. They're absolutely allowed to set rules for being in their company if thats what they want to do I'm not judging, just stating that it is a reality in some FC, which some people may not want to engage in, as they shouldnt if that is not their thing.

[LinXiaoMei]

How many mistakes is too many is kind of a loaded question but personally for me it's a matter of whether or not you learn from your mistakes in a time span of say 2 hours. I generally prefer not to kick people and rather just let them figure things out since advising others on how to do mechanics / play the game has always ended up going south because I know how to play my job/class which is fine and all but that doesn't mean you know how to do the mechanics on this fight in particular. After some passes I don't call people out, I simply say, "I'm gonna ask the person/deadweight who's causing wipes to leave. Not going to say names, but you know who you are." and leave it at that.

99% of the time to my experience that person knows who they are and they leave.

Aside from that matter I wish SE incentivized actual raid content for FC's . They're kind of pointless outside of buffs/crafting. I personally wouldn't mind raiding with my FC as opposed to leaving and joining new statics every tier.